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We need a list for cars that are driven....not trailered......So how about 50 miles to the track as a minimum to qualify and pump gas and full street trim.....or do we need to raise the bar a bit when it comes to driving 8) Long live real street cars!!!

I have driven my car to the local racetrack with Berg carbs, high compression etc. but that is only 15 miles away so it doesn't count.
50 miles is no biggie, I bet you $200 that I can do it and still beat you with a full second in the quarter. Are you up for a challenge?  :o

Right now!!!!!! 8) I am ready!!!! 8) What about you??? ::)..........can I collect the money now!!! ;D

No, problem. When you are driving to me, turn left first and go by JPM and pick up my old carbs, then turn right and go to Norway and pick up my old heads and exhaust (I am sure he will lend them to me for a day).   ;)

Interesting idea...I will discuss it with the boys...  but does anyone actually DO that any more?  ;D

Sounds like a "beerdrinkingcontest" for teetotaller´s :)

Sorry Petter......I don't get the point.......A list like suggested would attract the cars of the Real Street Calss and maybe, just maybe inspire folks from enjoying the cars on the street...........not just after spending a fortune on transporting the car to a track to enjoy a full 10 minute in car action during a day!!! Besides, not all cars has to run elevens or tens to be appricated!!! just my 2 cents!! Happiness is a hot VW!!

Hmm, and who will be on top of the list, the one who has the longest distance to the track or the one with the best timeslip?

Hrrrrm.......I think i suggested a distance in the first line.......but more miles make it cooler...................so why not make a suggstion on the proper amount of miles to get on the list....................Anyway I think ET would be the pace setting factor not miles to race track.........

By the way, no one is asked for distance trailerd to race track when it comes to race cars.....the shorter, the cooler:)

Why not make it interesting.... ;)

Unlimited Street:

1700 lbs. min. with driver.
All cars mush have muffler even turbos.
Must have two front seats.
Must be tagged and insured and proof will be required.
Operating head lights and tail lights.
NO WHEELIE bars allowed.
All cars must complete an approx. twenty mile cruise the night before.
Must have all IHRA(SBF) required safety eguiptment for times you are running.
Any type vehicle as long as it's VW powered.


/Håkan

I like what you are saying but 1700lbs with driver is way lighter than a street car should be ;)  2100lbs would be more like it :o, and should have all legal requirements for that country,indicators,wipers,horn,parking brake etc cheers richie,uk

Håkan & Richie,
Sounds good to me. Let's make it a "Heavy street class". All the above rules + 2000lbs minimum weight  ;)
Jyrki

plus driver and i am in :-)  cheers richie,uk

That's heavyer than stock!  :o My 59 is maybe 18-1900 with me, stock weight (yes, I am a skinny bastard!).
Unless you have a fat chick, bottle bayby with hairdryer and a roof from a tent.  ;)

OK, I am in anyway, I will just hire this guy to drive:  ;D
(http://www.dimensionsmagazine.com/dimtext/kjn/people/shudson.jpg)

I dont have a problem with the min. weight beeing 1700lb even though my car is 2000+.

/H

I looked at my registration papers and my bug has a stock "tjänstevikt" (meaning curb weight + driver) of 800 kg - 1763 lbs.

I guess I just picked the wrong car to begin with:  2000lbs stock weight then add all the other extras and you have alot to drag around!!!!!!!!!!   But whatever weight it is set at I will come play :D  cheers richie,uk

One thing thou!!!! No rules except " as driven to the track"....If you don't use the fan belt i noraml traiffic, run it with out.....if slicks is your ever day shoe wear, then run them..........Ohh by the way, one more thing; No cry babys!!! When it is done it is done!!!

Heres my submit:..........80 miles to the track.....12.35 @107 mph.....80 miles home!!!! 2020 lbs......Normaly Aspirated.............. Happiness is a Hot VW!!

My offer still stands SOB, 50 mile street driving first and l can beat you with a full second. $200 to the winner.
Both are natually aspirated 59:s, all steel, all glass windows, passenger seat etc. You can pull your fan belt and I can keep mine if you want some handicap.
Time and place: SCC, Gardemoen next year. Leaving from Öystein saturday morning, go in to Oslo and back to Gardemoen were we race.  Before enter Gardemoen we fill up the tank with pump gas. I don't know the don't know how long it is, but I guess it is enough to sort out a race car.

 Hmmmm.............humble as I am: I am ready right now......shall we dance!? ;)

If you dance with a grizzly bear, you had better let him lead!

Sorry SOB, but it against the law to run with summer tires in December and I only have one one set of tires.
Gardemoen August 2007, are you in or not? :o

no matter the distance from the racetrack, i always carry my M&H-slicks in the backseat and get behind the wheel, even when sporting a bone stock tranny...kamikaze takes me home each and every time

Roman, come on!! If you want to beat someone, you don't ask them to come to you :o.....You go there and show your capacity and hope that it is enough!  ;) So is it a race (first to the finish line) or a pee contest (ET swapping).....I am ready!!!! Snow is not here yet and you don't need no stinking snow tires according to the law unless there is snow!!! 8)

You know my engine is sold and I am updating otherwise you wouldn't dare!  :P

BTW, coming to me? I don't live in Oslo, you are in fact closer!

Well we have a dragstrip around the corner, I can have it opened by tomorrow if needed :P....same conditions for us both but it is only 1/8 mile ;D.....so you don't have to beat me with a full second!! :o

I know your car is apart.....does that meen I won!!! ;D

No, that means that my friends moped won over you all summer when your car was apart! ;)

Well, guess you are right, and I guess am right.......... I didn't claim my car being faster then your friends moped. But it did not work either. As a matter of fact I did not claim it to be faster then anybodys. I did run it in the spring thou and it was not working ok......................So I got back to my cave and waited for the possibilty to stand up by my claims :o

Back to the topic. Am I the only one who have posted a ET and speed after driving the distance. Here is your option Roman to prove me that you are faster!!!!! ;)

Go on then i will play :D

Driven to the track[58miles each way] and driven home again after,  10.88,10.91,10.95,11.18 all at about 125mph in the same weekend,not a tow bar or trailer in sight ;D cheers richie,uk

It was like that for much of the Summer as I recall, tens pretty much any day, no towing but as ever lots of tea.  :)

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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/SanchoPancho/General/Summer_1.jpg)

This year at Gardemoen my car was faster than yours Richie, but I can't be that lucky every year!  ;)

My point SOB is that most of the cars on the list won't break or overheat if they do a longer trip. They break when you race!
It is the same thing for a 13 or 14 second car: They break when you race! The slower cars usually has cheaper or stock trannies, 4 dowel flywheels etc. A chain isn't stronger than it's weakest link.

Roman!! My point is that a street car can be driven to and from the track.....dependable power and over engineered to stand up to the power...............Endurance not ET:s only is the winner.........................So I guess that we are talking about diffrent aproaches!!!

Great Richie!!! I hope that we see more entrances to the real street list.......Real street cars rules!!!

So a 1776 with IDF:s that break the tranny is a race car? BTW, didn't your cam go flat? Does that make it a race car? How many times can a car break and still be a street car? Is once in a lifetime enough to be disqualified from the real street list?
The only thing I have done to my car since I started it up in May is valve adjustment and changed the clutch disc as the first I had was slipping. I drive my car on the street a couple of days a week and I even commute in it!
When I go to the race track I usually bring a couple of friends, tent, sleeping bags, pillows, extra cloting, gas etc and there is no room for it in my bug. Do I have to change it to a sqareback to be on a real street list?

if the 1776 breaks, you need to change direction unless racing is a about loosin money and good parts........So, all in all.  No need to modify anything Roman.....Compromise!!! I think you are the man to build a car that qualifies.......just do!! Anyway.....it's not about winning or loosing.....It's all about having fun!!!

Yeah I lost the cam, to mouch spring pressure (race stuff)....bought in 93 after I lost a cam run in per the berg instructions(not the way to do it).........You know what I lost most....all the gasoline I have burnt over the years...............................on the street!!! Happiness is a Hot VW!!

I already have a car that quailifies, there is no need to build a new one.
I have offered you a match race after a 50 mile cruise, I have given you a one second head start. Since you have refused to race me, eiter your car is too slow or it isn't a real street car like mine.
There is no need for a second list, there is only 18 filled spots in the top 20 here and there is even more space on the cal-look.com top20. And you are right about one thing, it is all about having fun!

Ooh, get you two!  ;D

Street? 32psi on EEC approved tyres, none of that DOT nonsense, full tank of gas and hey, why not leave the spare tyre in? Cruising 80 on a stock four speed turning thirteens on three of them, 400 miles each way, 4 countries, maybe just 100 for the local track.  Maybe take a passenger too and luggage for 5 days?  :)

My take on a street car anyway.  ;D

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Courtesy of Der Autobahn Scrapers

Now we are talking, that is a real driver! My car isn't practical to drive those long trips due to solid mounts, loud 3" muffler etc.
It isn't fun to drive my car on a long trip and I have it because I like to have fun!

We are not allowed to have spare tires in the cars here in Sweden at sanctioned tracks.......Due to the pressure in this contest of who has done what and not I have to publicly admit that I have done quite a few mid 12 second passes with the spare tire in the car, and the jack too and extra gasoline in a "never stop"...............all due to a brain getting older and forgetting things!!

Roman. Our cars and situation in life differs. You have a red 59 and I have a blue 59.......I live in the south, you in the middle....You have fast car. I have car that was intended to be just  grocery getter. So my car is practical and comfortable, it don't rev to the moon when on the road, it is a nice car to take the kids for a swim in or just some flash back to my youth, racing it a few times a year.........To me it is travelling that is the adventure.....memories being made while coasting thrue the landscape absorbing the smells............Yeaah, the essens of a hobby!

If your point is that there is no need for a top list for cars being used on the street and not a camoflaged race car then make that statement. I like the accomplisment you have made and are about to make. Hatsoff to that and keep up the good work man!!!  I hope you like what I am trying to do on a limited budget and time schedule!

Now thats my idea of a true STREET CAR  ;D ;D ;D

My car wasn't built with the intention of driving long trips, it is a weekend warrior to harass the V8:s and jap crap down town.
It is built to be a street car, that could be raced and I do that occasionally (4 races this year).
There is no problem making long trips though, I just don't enjoy it. My engine is more or less a copy of JPM:s old engine and he drove it 5000 km per year with almost the same gearing. It is just a matter of what you think is fun.

I guess there are many ways to skin a cat, just adding my 2 cents. Got to love a bit of diversity. What I get in ease of use and road mp/h I lack in the quarter and with the other cars on this thread it's possibly slightly biased the other way? Which of you guys would win on the quarter? Well, if you started 50 from the track and could run the quarter as soon as you arrive at the track then it would be me and I'd be at the bar whilst you still had 25.25 miles to go. If you actually have to start at the startline at the same time discounting the cruise there then I concede it would be one of you. This being the case I'll leave you where you were and check out of the thread. (Possibly) :D

Matt.......I would not be sure about you being there first...you would have to do at least 130 mph to fullfill that...........I would call my car a street car with a potential to back that claim up!!! By the way, why not put your submit up and hopefully we will end up with the worlds first real street top 20 list.....makig the race car guys envy!!!! How about that!!!!

Long live real street cars!!!!

Mme, 130 huh? I might not be able to do that all the way. Yeah I'd probably only be 12 miles or so ahead realistically.  ;D

That quarter though, you still have me. Need to find a 12 with no NOS and a GT box (would hate it to be easy) and though (in a Volkswagen) it's uncomfortable I still need a rear seat. I'll get back to you.  :)

But yeah, long live street cars!  8)

Hi Guys

When we first ran Real Street all 4 competitors put in $100.00 a piece they ran on Pump Gas and Radial Tires
drove 320 miles to Las Vegas winner take all(The one with the lowest ET). The car that won was the biggest piece
of Oil Leaking Crap but he Won. I must say the best part about Real Street was the drive, That was alot of Fun!

Don't make excuses, Just do it, You don't know what your missing!


Have Fun
Mike H.

See You Next Year At The Bug-In ;D     

Isn't that a problem? A car that wins after a 500 mile trip but needs an engine rebuild?

Roman!!! You are the man!!!! You just hit the nail!!!! If you need to rebuild the engine after 500 miles.........you are runing a camouflage race car on the street.....no need to wreck that motor in that short time when you can do it at the track in an ever shorter time...So with compromise and skill you can actually make a car run on the street and still be fast!!! You can do it....just do it!!!


Happiness is a hot VW!!

Once again, it is my @ss and ears that would hurt after a long drive, not my car!
What's your point? You consider the engine/trans you built for Oscar a street engine/trans, right?
My combo is similar but I have slightly lower gearing (7% to be exact). That makes me 20 minutes after him on a 5 hour drive with the same rpm. Or the same time and maybe 2-300 rpm more.
Is it the 044 heads that won't do the job? Is it the IDA carbs? Is it the MSD 6 ignition?

If we should include Oskars car making me talking about a car helped out with a target for arguments (and it has been) is ok for me but I don't know what Oskar thinks. Anyway, this oneis on me!! Oskars car is on the edge I would say.......gearing 3,78/2,06/1,32/0,93 and 4,375:1 R/P and 26" tires, you do the math............Oskar made the choice to drive it on the street.....I think he has only made about 10 runs down the track with a best of 12.35 in full street trim (DOT:s, fan belt, muffler, pump gas) and driven to the track and back (85 miles)..................So i guess he would qualify if he finds it interesting!! That car is very driveable as long as you stay below 4000 rpm (after that it's a bear) and short shifts. All in all a cool car. Here is a video (large)

http://v-dubs.no/jhu/movies/Slangen.avi

A clue to sucess would be: comfort....coosy motor mounts, soft spring rate, cushion in seats, interior without rattle........... I did the race car on the street and no comfort 15 years ago......I did learn my lesson and paid my compromises!!!

Happiness is a Hot VW!!

There is a different gearing on CLF: 4.375 - 3.78/2.06/1.48/1.14, that's why I assumed the 7%.

I have done 11.63 in full street trim, the rest like cusion seats, gearing etc is just about comfort, safety and cruise speed. It's not like it is going to blow up if I go 100 or even 1000 miles.
A close ratio tranny is a part of the Cal-look heritage!

Just out of interest guys,are DOT tyres legal in Sweden? you mention them alot but the are not EEC approved so not legal here,cheers richie,uk

The DOT means nothing. You need a minimum thread depth of 1.6 mm and a regular pattern.

Should be a good little get together... :D