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Slowiscool8
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« on: July 12, 2015, 00:04:49 am »

Wanted to try and figure out some more about this wheel I have.

Cal look lounge member OC1967vw  pointed out to me that this wheel isn't any different. but the other brm I have looks clearly different

Another member also talked on the phone with me to let me know this is actually the 4th one!

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restojohnny
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2015, 00:44:05 am »

Yes that's definitely one of the 4 prototype wheels made. I've attached a picture of one of my wheels in my collection and you can clearly see the differences in the casting etc....So now all 4 are found with Chris Morley with 2 of them here in California and the 3rd one in a very VERY private collection also here in California and now your's. Glad you selling your's Because the other 3 will NEVER leave the owners display EVER but then again everything has a price right  Wink

Your BRM look's very solid to me I'd roll'em all if I could get the other 2 from Chris  Wink

Here's a picture of mine to compare to your's

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Here's a picture of them on the cover in the 1966 empi 1st Volkswagen Annual

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Magnesium BRM hoarding bastard !!!

**SURE I'LL SELL IT TO YOU : ) **

EMPI KICK'S ASS EMPI KICK'S ASS
O.G. POMONA VULTURE
$$ SWAPMEET MAFIA $
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2015, 01:24:24 am »

   : )...
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restojohnny
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2015, 01:47:35 am »

Hi Don great info but I think the question is about the differences in regards to the 1st BRMs made/PROTOTYPE VS. ORIGINAL Made BRM's not the REPRODUCTIONs brotha. There is a HUGE difference in the look of the magnesium prototype and the regular produced magnesium brms speedwell/empi made after the prototype brms in 66. The centers are different as the prototype brm center is round and NOT flat/angled as the brm we all know of and worship and also the valve stem hole is located on the inner lip as opposed to the edge of the center of the wheel. The weight is alittle heavier too. THere are a few more differences aswell but can't remember off the top of my head.
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2015, 15:01:54 pm »

  : )....
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2015, 15:20:38 pm »

here's the wheels on inch pincher 1 around 65/66
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Slowiscool8
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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2015, 20:52:33 pm »

They were also on the inch pincher jr when the wheels were sent to Georgia


Then from there the wheels got split up.  The guy I got the wheel from, he bought it from a guy that raced a 356 and was running the prototype with 3 other regular brms. The guy I got the wheel from had for about 25 years.
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2015, 20:59:27 pm »

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nicolas
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2015, 16:39:17 pm »

Ok, so there was only one set of 4 prototype BRMs? it can be, but that seems like a very small run to do a production later on. how long before production items where these produced?

looks to me we are having a bit of a history class going on here about the rising of the BRM,  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2015, 16:43:30 pm »

anyone in the market for some genuine BRM's??

then send a PM to OC1967vw.......it seems like he has a few he's not too bothered about....    hahaha!
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2015, 18:29:57 pm »

here's some others pictures with IP1 with those proto wheels
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2015, 18:32:07 pm »

it seems taht those where on IP1 when they ran the shorrock supercharger engine
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2015, 18:35:26 pm »

not sure about those one , but the brm were red and the wheels look the same
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2015, 18:36:09 pm »

 Wink
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2015, 21:42:40 pm »

anyone in the market for some genuine BRM's??

then send a PM to OC1967vw.......it seems like he has a few he's not too bothered about....    hahaha!

I did and he said "NO" 😓
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53 LHD, LH cargo door standard kombi
54 Pre-A Porsche
67 original convertible GTV 
67 euro squareback
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2015, 02:33:13 am »

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2015, 02:46:21 am »

That's funny!   Sense when did the 40+ year old magnesium wheels become run-of-the-mill?  Perhaps, he thinking of the aluminum Berms..

Q: Just curious have you weighted the proto type wheel? The short production ( R-O-T-M ) wheel should be 7-8 pounds.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2015, 17:19:32 pm »

I think we missed the part about them being too old and unsafe to run on the street as well..................
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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2015, 22:25:15 pm »


I think we missed the part about them being too old and unsafe to run on the street as well..................


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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2015, 22:44:02 pm »

Haha...... I'm just off to the tip to dump this lot of unusable junk!

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« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2015, 17:43:51 pm »

anyone in the market for some genuine BRM's??

then send a PM to OC1967vw.......it seems like he has a few he's not too bothered about....    hahaha!

I did and he said "NO" 😓

And lets not forget that they are "worthless"
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« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2015, 20:13:01 pm »

I'll compare the the weight to a regular mag brm ST Dragn
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