Engine advice wanted....

[Jordy/DVK]

 I'm planning a bigger engine than my current 1300 for next season. I'm looking for a weekend warrior in the 1.9 - 2.2L range.
 I want a reliable and reasonably driveable engine and yet not be a snail on the strip...
 
 I need a bit of help to choose a nice and useful combination. I'm just a novice when it comes to engine tuning and that's why I'm asking you guys for advice.
 I figured that since most of you are around in the scene for a while you'll have some proven concepts which you've built in the past...
 
 So if you are willing to share your engine specs and your experiences with the engine(s) with me (and the rest of the world) you'd make me a very happy person...

 Thanks!!!

 Jordy
 
 
 
 

[Jordy/DVK]

 It's gonna be a regularly (3x a week, not daily) driven car for short trips and for use on the strip a few times a year.
 How fast I'd like to go? I don't now what's reasonable/feasible for a reliable 1.9-2.1 L range engine?  14sec on the 1/4??
   

[Zach Gomulka]

Here is a great and semi inexpensive combo my friend put together for his '67: 1915cc, Engle K8 w/ 1.4s, Steve Tims 42x37.5 ported heads, 1 5/8" merge, 9:1, and he is borrowing my IDAs using 37 vents. A few weeks ago he ran a 13.8 @ 95mph in the 1/4, he pulled the fan belt, ran it through the muffler, and using only the first 3 gears- the stock 4th gear is still used for cruising. He uses 215/65 radials mounted on repro BRMS. The car has t-bars and the rear seat removed, but is otherwise stock weight. It runs on our crappy pump gas. It was also his first time drag racing, so I believe with a little more seat time, he could improve his 60ft and get the car into the mid 13s. Not bad for a stock stroke, pump gas, stock geared, non gutted VW that you can drive anywhere!

[Jordy/DVK]

 I was thinking of a 2110cc
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 New CB supercase

 CB forged 76mm crank,
 94mm barrels/pistons,
 CB Uni-tech Performance rods
  - (with ARP 2000 bolts)
 Forged Chromoly Flywheel
 
 Total seal piston rings
 Light-weight wrist pins + teflon retainers
 Chromoloy 8mm head studs

 Straight cut cam gears
 Eagle FK-8
 Light-weight lifters
 Chromoloy pushrods

 Kennedy stage 2 clutch

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 Do you have any advice on what to do with the Heads and Rockers for this combo?
 
 Are there any parts in the list of which you think that are "overrated" for this engine?

 Thanks for your input!!

[Martin Greaves]

I was thinking of a 2110cc
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 New CB supercase

 CB forged 76mm crank,
 94mm barrels/pistons,
 CB Uni-tech Performance rods
  - (with ARP 2000 bolts)
 Forged Chromoly Flywheel
 
 Total seal piston rings
 Light-weight wrist pins + teflon retainers
 Chromoloy 8mm head studs

 Straight cut cam gears
 Eagle FK-8
 Light-weight lifters
 Chromoloy pushrods

 Kennedy stage 2 clutch

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 Do you have any advice on what to do with the Heads and Rockers for this combo?
 
 Are there any parts in the list of which you think that are "overrated" for this engine?

 Thanks for your input!!

I have this motor with ida,s in my 67 bug my friend ran a 13.9 1/4 at DDD4. With 205/70 radials belt on and with Dual QP. Dam good motor did 1100 miles going to DDD4 and back to the the UK.

[Zach Gomulka]

CB forged 76mm crank,
 Forged Chromoly Flywheel
 Light-weight wrist pins
 Chromoloy 8mm head studs
 Eagle FK-8
 Light-weight lifters
 Do you have any advice on what to do with the Heads and Rockers for this combo?
 
 Are there any parts in the list of which you think that are "overrated" for this engine?

 Thanks for your input!!

Unless you already have a 76mm crank, or can get one dirt cheap, Id step up to a 82. They are roughly the same price, but you will get more displacement (2276cc) and a better rod ratio using those rods you have planned.
A stock, 8 doweled, lightened flywheel will suffice.
There is very little to be gained with lightened wrist pins and lifters in a street motor of your caliber. Stick with the normal stuff. Cheaper to replace if the need arises, as well.
Stock head studs will work fine in your motor, but I still dont think that chromoly is a bad idea or a waste of money.
Do you mean Engle FK-8? If so, great choice! Use the new CB 1.4:1 rockers, Ive heard nothing but good things about them.
For heads, Steve Tims does an outstanding job. CB's wedgeports are also proven to make big power, and very affordable.
Good luck!

For rock

[Jordy/DVK]

 Do you have a movie of your bug on the strip? I'm curious...

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 Someone also recommended me this setup:

 2165cc - (94x78)

• CB - Highroof case (8mm case savers)
• 044 Magnum Plus 42x37 heads with double Gene Berg springs (and porting them myself)
• IDA manifolds
• CB - 78mm Forged Nitrided Chromoly crank
• CB - H-beam rods with ARP2000 bolts
• CB - 94mm Forged slipper kit pistons
• CB - 1.4 Forged Chromoly Rocker set
• Web Cam c86 (lobe center@108deg. & dur. 310 deg.)
• CB - straight cut cam gear set & lightweight lifters
• Kennedy Stage 1 + Black Magic clutch disk
• 1 5/8" Header

 I might try to run MegaSquirt II Edis Injection with Alfa Throttle Bodies...

[Jordy/DVK]

Unless you already have a 76mm crank, or can get one dirt cheap, Id step up to a 82. They are roughly the same price, but you will get more displacement (2276cc) and a better rod ratio using those rods you have planned.
A stock, 8 doweled, lightened flywheel will suffice.
There is very little to be gained with lightened wrist pins and lifters in a street motor of your caliber. Stick with the normal stuff. Cheaper to replace if the need arises, as well.
Stock head studs will work fine in your motor, but I still dont think that chromoly is a bad idea or a waste of money.
Do you mean Engle FK-8? If so, great choice! Use the new CB 1.4:1 rockers, Ive heard nothing but good things about them.
For heads, Steve Tims does an outstanding job. CB's wedgeports are also proven to make big power, and very affordable.

 I don't have a 76mm crank, but I thought that with that crank I wouldn't have to spend big bucks on the heads yet. And I still tend to think that the bigger it is, the sooner it'll break.
 About the flywheel. Those CB forged flywheels are dirt cheap ($110) but would a lightened stocker also cope with displacements like 2276cc and an FK-10 or Webcam c86 ??
 I was also recommended to wait and save for the 94mm CB slipper kit ($400). In that case those wrist pins aren't needed.
 I've also been told that those 1.4 CB's are great value for their money. I want to save on the wedgeports and do the porting of the 044s myself. (with help ofcourse)

[Jordy/DVK]

 Another reason for no 82mm crank is that gasoline costs $ 1,92 a litre over here...

[Zach Gomulka]

What carbs are you running?

[Jon]

You know who makes great flywheels? VW;)!! The flywheel in a engine is no issue, spend your dollars were it counts, the heads.
And for fuel consuption, my IDA 2176 uses 1 litre pr 100km... and delivers 183 hp on the dyno.

[Jordy/DVK]

 @Zach: I'm thinking of a MegaSquirt 2 FI kit with Alfa throttle bodies and eventually IDA throttle bodies or carbs...


 @JHU: Why did you decide to build a 2176cc engine when a 82mm crank costs about as much as a 78,4mm crank?

[Jon]

I didn´t have a choice, it came with the engine. But now I love it... small but high reving!
Bigger engines have simpler lives... go "big".   

[Jordy/DVK]

 No I mean Alfa Romeo Throttle bodies made bij Dellorto. They can be found on an 132 HP Alfa Romeo 33 1.7L 16valve.
 They're 40mm (too small for a 2275 or 2165 I guess) They can be made fit on IDA inlets with some sort of an adapter.
 They have an odd inner shape, but I've been told that it's possible to make them somewhat oval.
 With an adapter you can convert the shape of the TB's to the IDA manifold style...

  It's a cheapass solution, and doesn't look very "cool", but if it works I'm happy...

 Here some pics.

 
 
 

[Sander/DVK]

Nice topic Jordy.
Wouldt you realy go for the Megasquirt??
I think think that carbs much easier to handle than injection

The Alfa 33's till 1990 (??) have the Weber IDF's, and Dell'Orto DRLA's.
Later they come with feul injection, and the trottle bodies can be used (with a small modyfication) on the IDF and DRLA manifolds.

Cheers,
Sander

[Jordy/DVK]

 I think that FI can be an improvement for your torque through the entire RPM range...
 And with IDA 48 or IDF 48 style throttle bodies you won't sacrifice anything on the looks...

 I'm also considering doing a few steps back and go with the engines advised by zach & jim to leave some money for a decent paintjob and the resto of my splitty...
 

[Sander/DVK]

Your right about that, but it's not easy to work with feul injection, so I woudt choose for a carburating engine.

Forgot the split, thats gonne be ok!

Cheers,
Sander