it's evolution baby!!! yeah

[nicolas]

OK i think the tread about the chop top has made a lot of people think and talk about evolution. so here is the topic to spawn those ideas and have some insights on the subject. it is not limited to that one car or to gassers of the seventies. it is about cars that are around now as well. is Fabs 61 still the same car if it will run a 2.2 l engine? did Andy jewell build a totally different car then the previous incarnation, or is changing an 80's car's ignition to a MSD setup a crime? all questions, all opinions are appreciated.

have fun

[Jon]

Interesting topic...

I feel its very normal for a race car to evolve, in the pursuit of better ET's..
A cal-looker should loose more and more chrome over the years.. hehe... Personally I like to change a few things now and again, just to make it interesting for ME...
I know my cars never get(s) done... 

[richie]

OK i think the tread about the chop top has made a lot of people think and talk about evolution. so here is the topic to spawn those ideas and have some insights on the subject. it is not limited to that one car or to gassers of the seventies. it is about cars that are around now as well. is Fabs 61 still the same car if it will run a 2.2 l engine? did Andy jewell build a totally different car then the previous incarnation, or is changing an 80's car's ignition to a MSD setup a crime? all questions, all opinions are appreciated.

have fun

So if you find inch pincher,Do you put it back to PRE roof chop as thats how it was first raced? Or is that ok still as a chop? is it ok to put a modern version of an original engine in an old car? or does it have to be exact,is it ok to claim you restored a car when you modified it? surely its one or the other? and as this topic has arisen due to the chop for sale,if you restored it,then to what period? the one YOU liked best? or the first incarnation? to me its all bo***cks,as the owner of the car you decide what YOU want to do to it,I dont see anyone giving John F grief for not using the original pan under it

The double standards or some people really pisses me off

richie,uk

[Frank LUX]

I personally think that it is up to the Owner to do what ever he wants to do, whatever Car he owns or it is...

Frank

[ESH]

I see a red car, I want to paint it black.

 

[Frank LUX]

I see a red car, I want to paint it black.

 

Black Cars Rule...

Frank

[Glauco]

now these days a new car with under 100bhp is hard to find, so evolving is what needs to be done, if the owners wants to, we live in a free world 
glauco

[nicolas]

yeah Richie, i think so as well, BUT i don't think everybody thinks like that. that is why there was the 'commotion' about the choptop. i would really like to have one myself, but indeed i would restore it like it looked with the DDS rims and small sunroof. but i probally would have to cut corners as i can't afford real DDS rims or 88 empi pistons,... so it that is why i made the post as well. lets just think about this a little harder and maybe come to appreciate (respect??) what people do.  

[Rennsurfer]

Regarding Cal Look Volkswagens; there are no crimes. There are no rules. Do what makes YOU happy. Under any circumstances, do not attempt to please anyone or any group/grope/gruppe.

Why? Simple Frank's post, below, outlines and answers any/all queries pertaining to all of this.

I personally think that it is up to the Owner to do what ever he wants to do, whatever Car he owns or it is...

Frank

I crack up at people when they tell me how to decorate or build my Beetle. I smile and tell them to build their own and let me know how it works out. That would be the same equivalent as me telling my friends to surf, skateboard, fish a certain way. HAHA!! We're all different (thank God) and we all yield a different signature on this ball that we call Earth. I, for one, aim to keep tending to that glowing light at the end of the tunnel, such that it is.

[speedwell]

now these days a new car with under 100bhp is hard to find,

no look mine  1200cc with 50/60hp and i'm happy with my little sprintkit engine n the only one running in belgium  ...........................

[nicolas]

i screwed it up putting that post up 

[Rennsurfer]

i screwed it up putting that post up 

HAHA!! No worries, Nicolas. Hey, the Delete button is never too far away. One of the beautiful features on this site. We can vaporize our posts with a click of a button.

 

[nicolas]

i screwed it up putting that post up 

HAHA!! No worries, Nicolas. Hey, the Delete button is never too far away. One of the beautiful features on this site. We can vaporize our posts with a click of a button.

 

nah i meant what i said, i just can not master the English tongue well enough to say what i ment. i ment it in a nice way and in an attempt to have an idea about what people think, NOT that you have to build the car THEY want.
hell i can get killed for making my car by the vintage type3 enthousiasts. luckily they have small muscles. 

[Rennsurfer]

hell i can get killed for making my car by the vintage type3 enthousiasts. luckily they have small muscles. 

HAHA!! That's good stuff... I must share that with my best friend. He restores '60-'67 Beetles, but his favorites are '61-'64 Type 3 Notchbacks. His muscles are bigger than mine, so I'm sure he'll be amused.

 

I'm always suggesting that he try lowering one of his cars and adding some Fuchs 911 or 914 wheels. Maybe one of these days.

[Rick Meredith]

I see a red car, I want to paint it black.

 

Black Cars Rule...

Frank

Rick's Rule = Black is a wonderful color for someone else's car! 

[team97]

I see a red car, I want to paint it black.

 

Black Cars Rule...

Frank

Rick's Rule = Black is a wonderful color for someone else's car! 

Unless your wifes car is black!

[Rick Meredith]

Rick's Rule = Black is a wonderful color for someone else's car! 

Unless your wifes car is black!

She bought that car totally without my input.. besides it's a To#¤ta so it doesn't count! 

[Lee.C]

Hmmmm very interesting nicolas 

Just do what make YOU happy - there are NO rules, its all a matter of taste - its just that some have it and some dont 

[Jon]

Say if someone owned a piece of history, a car made by someone else that everyone just loved and the new owner didn't give it the respect it deserved... or any respect at all. Would you speak up then? I'm not talking about making it in to a roadster or anything... just neglect..

[Rick Meredith]

Say if someone owned a piece of history, a car made by someone else that everyone just loved and the new owner didn't give it the respect it deserved... or any respect at all. Would you speak up then? I'm not talking about making it in to a roadster or anything... just neglect..

Can we say Bergler?? 

[Rennsurfer]

Rick's Rule = Black is a wonderful color for someone else's car! 

Yep! That's been my rule since I was old enough to drive. I fully dig on black cars but doubt that I'll ever own one. They're like my nephews, nieces, and (hopefully, one day) grandchildren... love 'em a lot, but at the end of the day, they go back to their owners. 'Tis why I've always charged extra to detail black cars, as well.

[Lee.C]

Say if someone owned a piece of history, a car made by someone else that everyone just loved and the new owner didn't give it the respect it deserved... or any respect at all. Would you speak up then? I'm not talking about making it in to a roadster or anything... just neglect..

What can you say - its their choose at the end of the day - I'm am not saying it right but thats the way it goes sometimes 

In a much smaller way its just like this friend I have who to be honest is a bit of a twat BUT he ALWAYS ends up finding really COOL stuff really cheap and then proceeds to take it apart and then leave it in pieces in his garage - he was one of the first people I ever knew who had mini-motos and I think I have only ever seen them run ONCE about 8 years ago the day he picked them up and now like the rest of his stuff you guessed it - IN PIECES! oh well ech to their own i guess

[jamiep_jamiep]

I'd get pretty bored of my own car if I never changed it, similar to the thread reently asking if a car is ever finished...

My vote goes for change - lets face it, most of the old cars now are SO changed anyway that even if a car is restored back to how it was it would never really be THE ORIGINAL  car unless it was totally UNTUOCHED from the day it stopped racing.It just a recreation using some of the origina; parts - which don't get me wrong, is really, really cool.

My vote is for evolution!

And finally - I second the other comments, a persons car is their own to do with as they see fit.

[wolfswest]

I’m also pro evolution. Even family cars are getting faster and faster these days so we need to upgrade as well imho.  The purpose of the look is to smoke the guy next to you.  What you gonna say if this dude in the family station car packed with 5 kids in the back blows you away?  Yeah, but I have a real 70-ies iginition system, lalaalalalala   So what?    Why is everybody trowing there msd parts in the garbage?  Okay, it looks 90’s….  So what, it does the job and it is superb stuff…
I don’t have a problem with the older stuff, I’m a fan too but give the newer parts that don’t look correct also a shot…  What’s wrong with autometer gauges or msd parts or ….?
Okay, I will stop wining about it… 

[Harry/FDK]

I’m also pro evolution. Even family cars are getting faster and faster these days so we need to upgrade as well imho.  The purpose of the look is to smoke the guy next to you.  What you gonna say if this dude in the family station car packed with 5 kids in the back blows you away?  Yeah, but I have a real 70-ies iginition system, lalaalalalala   So what?    Why is everybody trowing there msd parts in the garbage?  Okay, it looks 90’s….  So what, it does the job and it is superb stuff…
I don’t have a problem with the older stuff, I’m a fan too but give the newer parts that don’t look correct also a shot…  What’s wrong with autometer gauges or msd parts or ….?
Okay, I will stop wining about it… 

 

[beetletom]

Say if someone owned a piece of history, a car made by someone else that everyone just loved and the new owner didn't give it the respect it deserved... or any respect at all. Would you speak up then? I'm not talking about making it in to a roadster or anything... just neglect..

What can you say - its their choose at the end of the day - I'm am not saying it right but thats the way it goes sometimes 

In a much smaller way its just like this friend I have who to be honest is a bit of a twat BUT he ALWAYS ends up finding really COOL stuff really cheap and then proceeds to take it apart and then leave it in pieces in his garage - he was one of the first people I ever knew who had mini-motos and I think I have only ever seen them run ONCE about 8 years ago the day he picked them up and now like the rest of his stuff you guessed it - IN PIECES! oh well ech to their own i guess

i think i might be related to him...  (you saw my lock up...)

[Lee.C]

I didn't like to say dude 

Just get on a PASS YOUR TEST!

[John Rayburn]

If Darryll Vittone still owned and raced the Inch Pinchers, They would be upgraded and upgraded and so on and so on and so on all the way up to present day. Same car and owner, just updated. I've been upgrading my car on a continual basis for 29 years now.

[Ivan]

I've been upgrading my car on a continual basis for 29 years now.

And it's still YOUR car!

My '67 is a lot different to it was when I first did it in '92, the trans was a hammered stock 1300 which popped out of 2nd - now it's got a built close ratio tranny. The motor is the same size - but nothing is the same! It had a welded counterweighted 78 now it's got a Berg forged 78. It had 311B rods - now it's got Carillos. It's had three different sets of cylinder heads and three different pairs of IDAs - currently NOS Italians. The brakes were drums up front now they are CSP discs. It had an EMPI GT wood rim - but that was like the wheel you'd steer an ocean liner with - now it's got an original NOS Brittania wheel. The decklid was stock - now it's got a '67 Cabrio lid. The front wings were Euro spec '67 sloping headlight -now it's got upright US spec wings. The front end has been changed three times, and is now narrowed to allow for dropped spindles, CSP discs. Even the BRMs have been changed - only one or two of them were on the car in 1991. It had long axles and 165 Michellins - now it's on Sway-A-Way short axles and 205 65 15 Dunlops. Initially, it didn't have a roll cage either. Oh, and it had an EMPI E-Z-R now it's got a Berg locker. that's just what I can recall.
It's still my car - it will always be my car.  I see it as logical progression, and I only change things for the better in my opinion. If someone else doesn't like any change to my car - that's up to them, I've got more important things to worry about than whether someone somewhere that I've never met has a negative opinion about the fact my wiper arms are silver.

[speedwell]

and now i've your EZR in my garage  i bought this one to you at the vw euro in 96