French Gas

[dave greiner]

No, not the kind you get from eating too many french fries. What octane fuel is available. Research or motor rating.

[Rennsurfer]

Buying gas in France is much like in the States; the pumps are just about the same, except the money is in Euros and you buy by the liter. At the pump you can buy: unleaded (sans plomb) in either 95 or 98 octane, super unleaded (super) or diesel (gazole). Some stations will also sell what is called fuel in French, normally at a separate pump. Do not buy it; it is diesel that is only sold to farmers. You can be fined, if it is found in your tank. This diesel is colored red, unlike regular diesel.

[John Rayburn]

Thanks. I've been wondering for a long time now.

[Stephan S]

At the pump you can buy: unleaded (sans plomb) in either 95 or 98 octane, super unleaded (super) or diesel (gazole).

FYI, the octane rating is measured differently in Europe and in the USA. I double checked on my Audi (A4 with 1.8T engine), and the manufacturer states to use...
PREMIUM - 91 - (R+M)/2 [= for the U.S.]
SUPER - 95 - Ron [= for Europe]

You can therefore deduct that the European 98 would be the equivalent of 94 in the U.S. ... if there was such a thing.

[Turtle001]

hey mark -- you are well known with the gas vocabulary in france -- ;-) -- had you some french cute exchange student in your class when you were a teenager?

[EspenX]

FYI, the octane rating is measured differently in Europe and in the USA. I double checked on my Audi (A4 with 1.8T engine), and the manufacturer states to use...
PREMIUM - 91 - (R+M)/2 [= for the U.S.]
SUPER - 95 - Ron [= for Europe]

Just for the record, 95 octane (Ron) is considered Regular in Europe I believe (unless I totally misunderstand something here ) 98 octane (ron) is Super. If Shell in France is no different from the rest of Europe, they also offer the V power brand with 99 octane (Ron) and V power Racing (100 octane, with 5% ethanol).

[John Rayburn]

hey mark -- you are well known with the gas vocabulary in france -- ;-) -- had you some french cute exchange student in your class when you were a teenager?

                                               Mark used to work for an oil company.

[Rennsurfer]

hey mark -- you are well known with the gas vocabulary in france -- ;-) -- had you some french cute exchange student in your class when you were a teenager?

Turtle, like John posted... I worked in the petroleum industry from 1985-2000. Too many job descriptions to list... one of them was blending diesel, jet fuel, and automotive gasolines (87, 89, & 92 octane for So Cal) and sometimes blends of gas and diesel for other states. Also shipped every type of liquid petroleum from crude oil, fuel oil, stove oil, gas oil, and too many others to mention via pipeline all over the west coast, southwest states to Texas and as far north as Canada.

Sadly, there was no cute French female exchange student. Only in my dreams. But thanks for bringin' a smile to my face.

 

Dave, are you going to be traveling to France?

[nicolas]

hey mark -- you are well known with the gas vocabulary in france -- ;-) -- had you some french cute exchange student in your class when you were a teenager?

voulez vous du beure?


best quote ever from? (now i start playing mindgames as well)

[guillaume]

If you travel in France, Gas prices are quite expensive these days : about 1,80 -1,95 Euros per liter of 95 or 98. 

[j-f]

If you travel in France, Gas prices are quite expensive these days : about 1,80 -1,95 Euros per liter of 95 or 98. 

 

That's around 1.5€ here in Belgium. Damn that cost to cross the boarder with France. 

[wolfswest]

In some stations in France you can get E85 as well now and it is pretty cheap as well.  Me and my friend went a couple of weeks ago to the border with France to fill up some cans with E85…  one litre 98 costs around 1.50 euro nowadays and 1 litre e85 costs last time 0.86 euro, CHEAP!  And more performance if you setup your car right…
In the Netherlands are also some E85 stations, but here in Belgium it’s illegal…  The government doesn’t like these “cheap environment friendly gasses” 

Dem

[Nico86]

Buying gas in France is much like in the States; the pumps are just about the same, except the money is in Euros and you buy by the liter. At the pump you can buy: unleaded (sans plomb) in either 95 or 98 octane, super unleaded (super) or diesel (gazole). Some stations will also sell what is called fuel in French, normally at a separate pump. Do not buy it; it is diesel that is only sold to farmers. You can be fined, if it is found in your tank. This diesel is colored red, unlike regular diesel.

That's right, I just wanna add that Super is rare now, most gas station have only 98 and 95, and that next to the fuel for farmers (called Fioul sometimes, and that is less taxed) at some gas station you have fuel for houses' small heaters, I think that would ruin your engine ! Anyway if you have a diesel, only put regular Gazole. And yes where I am (next to Italy) you can sometimes be controlled by Customs and they may check the color of your gazole to see if you have the taxed one or not. LPG and E85 are super rare too (you find it only in big cities).

[j-f]

You can put gasoil in your diesel car only if you get gasoil with less than 10ppm sulfur. (In belgium it is call "extra" .

In fact, you have two kind of gasoil.

One for regular heating system that has <0.10 sulfur and another one wich is like diesel but coloured red to put in tractor, engine or any kind of material that use pump injector and high pressure injection or in some new condensation boiler. 

The colouring is to reduce the tax. With the colouring, is it not allowed to use this kind of gasoil in a car or a road vehicle.

I'm in the petroleum delivery 

[Prowagen]

What is E85 made from. I haven't seen it here in the South West of UK, but then its a little backward down here! I know yu can get it around London.

Pleanty of red diesel down here though! :-) I was watching on a program you can get chemicals to remove the red die!

[j-f]

What is E85 made from. I haven't seen it here in the South West of UK, but then its a little backward down here! I know yu can get it around London.

Pleanty of red diesel down here though! :-) I was watching on a program you can get chemicals to remove the red die!

You can remove the colouring, but not the furfurol.  (There is a colouring AND a chemical trace).

In case of control, there is visual and sometimes chemical test.

The colour is ok, but in case of chemical test, you're taking a big risk.

E85 is a blend of ethanol (that comes from plant like rape) and gas.

For example,some people filters vegetable oils that come from fryer and blend it with diesel. It works, but in old technology diesel engine.

[dave greiner]

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Dave, are you going to be traveling to France?[/b]



 

No, I am building  an engine for a customer in France, and I want to know how much compression I can give him.

[John Rayburn]

About 15 to one should be fine Dave.

[Roman]

About 15 to one should be fine Dave.

In that case 15 to one is the odds as well.  15 times your money if it doesn't over heat or ping!

[dave greiner]

That's what I like about the lounge. The Sarcasm.

[nicolas]

That's what I like about the lounge. The Sarcasm.

batman!


and how about the complete nonsense?

[dave greiner]

That's what I like about the lounge. The Sarcasm.

batman!


and how about the complete nonsense?

That too.

[John Rayburn]

Batman runs 15 to 1.

[Fastbrit]

What is E85 made from. I haven't seen it here in the South West of UK, but then its a little backward down here! I know yu can get it around London.

You can buy it at Taunton in Morrisons... Ironically, one of the two main producers of E85 in the UK is in Somerset yet it is impossible to buy it any further south west than Taunton... Morrisons is the only supermarket chain that i know of that sells E85 in some of its gas stations.

[John Rayburn]

What is E85 made from. I haven't seen it here in the South West of UK, but then its a little backward down here! I know yu can get it around London.

You can buy it at Taunton in Morrisons... Ironically, one of the two main producers of E85 in the UK is in Somerset yet it is impossible to buy it any further south west than Taunton... Morrisons is the only supermarket chain that i know of that sells E85 in some of its gas stations.

                                                           Aren't Taunton's those two legged things they rode around on in The Empire Strikes Back?