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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2009, 10:08:44 am » |
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hey lee, if you decide to either get one made to fit (or do-it-yourself?) maybe give these dudes a try..... http://www.ojzengineering.co.uk/cheers....Jick |
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2009, 10:40:19 am » |
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I always like teh look of the berg 1 1/2 street header with dual QP's that my brother ran on his car when he first got it.   I'm sure someone knows better than me but I'm pretty sure that it was a pheonix system? |
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« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2009, 13:22:07 pm » |
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I have a 1 5/8 merged Berg 933S header on my 68 beetle and the collector is behind the valence. You can see the collector from behind the car though as the lower half of the collector flange is below the bottom edge of the valence. If the collector was any higher I don't think you could bolt a muffler to it.
Hmm very interesting - is this an old or new header (ie what year?)  It's an older Berg header, I think from the 90's before the current generation header they are making now. I don't know what the newest Berg Headers look like but I can't imagine them changing them much. I bought the header (among other parts) from Rick M a while back. I will try to take some pictures and post them this weekend. |
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« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2009, 17:32:51 pm » |
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I have an old 1-5/8" type 1 merged 4 tune header without j-tubes if anyone is interested, its $100
Anthony / ISP WEST
I have an old 1-5/8" type 1 merged 4 tune header without j-tubes if anyone is interested, its $100
Anthony / ISP WEST
I don't know how much more old school it gets than "Fourtuned," but okay.... How difficult would it be to obtain proper j-tubes for such a system? Thread jackin guys  let get back to the look and fit of oldskool headers |
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« Reply #34 on: October 23, 2009, 18:05:57 pm » |
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just found this in old mag , but don't know if it helps |
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« Reply #35 on: October 23, 2009, 21:40:34 pm » |
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Thanks Fabs - I'll have a proper read once I've read all my other replies  |
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« Reply #36 on: October 23, 2009, 22:23:35 pm » |
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When you start to read text books on this subject, or nascar forums you soon understand that there is a reason the article stops were it stops... you just don't want to know how complex this calculating a collector stuff is... the only practical solution are some quick experiments on the dyno. Calculating dimensions of pipes and lengths are relatively "easy" but when you come to the collector and the gain you would get from the perfect one you are on deeeeep water. But help is out there... these guys have a good name in the racing scene and they can do the calculations, and make you a collector: http://www.burnsstainless.com/But I think you are in luck.... if you want a engine with some revs to it and hp despite a small displacement all factors point towards a exhaust that would please you eye... short pipes and a stubby collector with a rather large outlet. BTW have been thinking about this topic for quite some years now.... you know how it is |
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« Reply #37 on: October 23, 2009, 23:18:45 pm » |
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Does your conclusion of the matter in point in any way involve the cutting of body sheet metal with an angle grinder?  |
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« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2009, 23:21:49 pm » |
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The point is to avoid that... right?
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« Reply #39 on: October 23, 2009, 23:28:27 pm » |
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Thanks for droppin in JHU - I know this kinda stuff gets REALLY complex and I am gonna be reading ALOT, I am not "too worried" about the small loss of power with the header I just want it to look "Right" and perform well I can see this is gonna take ALOT of thinking |
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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2009, 23:36:45 pm » |
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JHU: Right. Sorry about my misconception. Will welding shut my rear apron make up as my penance?  Monkiboy: One thing is the header itself, another being the part of the muffler. I suspect you want the quiet pack style with the oh so classic trumpet end. Have you made any decisions on that part? I use a A1 muffler today, but the sheer size won´t let me get it far enough behind the valance as is will not clear the header itself... The reason I have kept with the A1 one is that is seems to be very unrestrictive. |
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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2009, 23:49:58 pm » |
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I always like teh look of the berg 1 1/2 street header with dual QP's that my brother ran on his car when he first got it. I'm sure someone knows better than me but I'm pretty sure that it was a pheonix system? It sure looks like a Phoenix system. I have a Berg GB933S and it's made by Phoenix.  |
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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2009, 23:56:05 pm » |
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JHU: Right. Sorry about my misconception. Will welding shut my rear apron make up as my penance? Monkiboy: One thing is the header itself, another being the part of the muffler. I suspect you want the quiet pack style with the oh so classic trumpet end. Have you made any decisions on that part? I use a A1 muffler today, but the sheer size won´t let me get it far enough behind the valance as is will not clear the header itself... The reason I have kept with the A1 one is that is seems to be very unrestrictive. Its gotta be Dual QP's dude but I am yet to find the perfect "look"  |
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2009, 02:06:49 am » |
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JHU: Right. Sorry about my misconception. Will welding shut my rear apron make up as my penance? Monkiboy: One thing is the header itself, another being the part of the muffler. I suspect you want the quiet pack style with the oh so classic trumpet end. Have you made any decisions on that part? I use a A1 muffler today, but the sheer size won´t let me get it far enough behind the valance as is will not clear the header itself... The reason I have kept with the A1 one is that is seems to be very unrestrictive. Its gotta be Dual QP's dude but I am yet to find the perfect "look" I wanted the classic Cal Look engine (2180, dual IDAs, Blue Coi, Bosch 010) and it has to be dual QPs. The Berg fits really well and tight to the body. |
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2009, 02:29:20 am » |
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JHU: Right. Sorry about my misconception. Will welding shut my rear apron make up as my penance? Monkiboy: One thing is the header itself, another being the part of the muffler. I suspect you want the quiet pack style with the oh so classic trumpet end. Have you made any decisions on that part? I use a A1 muffler today, but the sheer size won´t let me get it far enough behind the valance as is will not clear the header itself... The reason I have kept with the A1 one is that is seems to be very unrestrictive. Its gotta be Dual QP's dude but I am yet to find the perfect "look" I wanted the classic Cal Look engine (2180, dual IDAs, magneto!) and it has to be dual QPs. The Berg fits really well and tight to the body. I adjusted your list for you seeing as you made a couple of mistakes I will be honest and say my personal favourites are the Goss choptop and Dave R green 64 - for me these are PERFECT, I am probably gonna canibalise a couple of different sets of dual QP's and make my own set that has that "look" I am after |
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« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2009, 10:12:58 am » |
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« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2009, 12:05:52 pm » |
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« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2009, 12:23:12 pm » |
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Or no muffler at all, eh Martin? |
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« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2009, 09:32:22 am » |
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No,what I was saying is that a good collector cost $800/1000 now and thats just the start of what you would need to do it properly,but as Nicolas pointed out you arent as you put a door stop in it already cheers richie,uk Oh ok I get ya - I think I am just gonna not worry on the "where the flange sits" things, I will wait and see what the thunderbird one looks like and then decide. My friend Rob had one made by Gary H and its awesome looking bit of kit I might just get him to make me one of them - Form follows function Gary didn't make my header , its an original True4 Merged Header , and I think the flange is going to sit quite far back . Rob |
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