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short of a stroked motor, I'd have to say swapping KYB's out for a set of Koni's out back is the best thing I've done to my car, bar none.
The difference is beyond explanation.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 22:23:31 pm » |
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konis all round combined with drop spindles make a massive difference to a ball joint car  |
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2009, 22:30:10 pm » |
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 22:31:30 pm » |
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Going back years ago in my Auto Haus times we carried Koni, Bilstein and some other lesser known brands. Back then Koni was the choice of most of the street crowd and the off road guys went with Bilstein. I ran Koni's and loved them.
Moving forward KYB came on to the scene. They were less money than either of the previously mentioned brands. On street cars the valving was such that a rough ride was a sure thing. Today I run KYB's on some of my vintage Chryslers, but they are so heavy you don't notice any harsh ride.
If I were building a street car today I'd use Koni's again without a second thought.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 22:46:07 pm » |
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Konis are a pretty penny today, especially compared to KYB.
I think KYB's problem is they are valved too hard in compression and have no rebound characteristics at all (compared to a better shock). I found my car even brakes better after the Konis added. The ride is taut, but light years ahead of the KYBs.
I ran KYBs becuase they were durable. I wiped out a set of Boge's on the rear in a matter of years. I think with weight distribution of a VW, you need a shock with some rebound cranked into the setting.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 22:54:47 pm » |
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Konis are a pretty penny today, especially compared to KYB.
Quality cost..............................................
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2009, 22:56:26 pm » |
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After riding in Sarge's car with the Koni shocks its all I will use on my '66.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2009, 23:11:48 pm » |
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Agreed, I'm running Konis out back on my 69', great shock, also ran them on a 67' I had years ago, same thing, the best shock I've ever ran. My front shocks now are a set I got from Bruce, TOP SECRET  , but also works great. Thinking about getting a set of Konis for the front, but later. Ted |
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 23:24:18 pm » |
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short of a stroked motor, I'd have to say swapping KYB's out for a set of Koni's out back is the best thing I've done to my car, bar none.
The difference is beyond explanation.
Agreed, I'm running Konis out back on my 69', great shock, also ran them on a 67' I had years ago.
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2009, 23:40:28 pm » |
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Mine are the red adj. ones.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2009, 00:22:38 am » |
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Mine too. they say Special D on them. I turned them up to full heavy,
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 00:40:46 am » |
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I had Konis for an opel Kadett # 80-1580 on the front of my lowered 68 ball joint front end.
they were adjustable so you could make them stiff or soft.
you have to drill the bottom sleeve out to the Vw stud size
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 00:43:13 am » |
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Always ran Koni shocks on my Porsche. The days back when I actually had money. HAHA!! Now, my budget gets me a set of KYB ones all around. But I'm alright with that. Stoked that you're enjoying 'em, Jim.
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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2009, 00:50:26 am » |
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Mine are the red adj. ones.
Mine too. they say Special D on them. I turned them up to full heavy,
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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2009, 01:01:13 am » |
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Always ran Koni shocks on my Porsche. The days back when I actually had money. HAHA!! Now, my budget gets me a set of KYB ones all around. But I'm alright with that. Stoked that you're enjoying 'em, Jim.
I think I would rather have worn out oil shocks than KYBs. My '72 had them and it would beat the 'ell out of you. Just paint them like Konis and pocket the diff. --louis |
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2009, 03:35:31 am » |
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Is koni still in business? Or you guys getting lucky and finding old stock?
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« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2009, 04:55:07 am » |
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I think I would rather have worn out oil shocks than KYBs. My '72 had them and it would beat the 'ell out of you. Just paint them like Konis and pocket the diff.
--louis
HAHA!! That's awesome. Two thumbs up for your creativity. Was your '72 a Standard or Super? Is koni still in business? Or you guys getting lucky and finding old stock? http://www.koni.com/ |
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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2009, 05:01:40 am » |
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I think that is the steering damper. Koni part numbers (OTTOMH) K&L front: 80-1349 Swing rear: 80-1350 BJ front: 80-1787 IRS rear: 80-2149 |
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« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2009, 06:43:24 am » |
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Is koni still in business? Or you guys getting lucky and finding old stock?
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2009, 09:07:53 am » |
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Jim, was kind of KYB did you have grey GR-2 or white Gas-adjust? I've got the white ones and they're not that bad (coming from coil-over shocks)  But I have no reference for Koni shocks. |
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2009, 15:53:57 pm » |
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Koni's are amazing, night and day difference. I'll never again run another gas shock, they are valved way to stiff for a Beetle. I've got mine set at full soft.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2009, 19:16:04 pm » |
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I second, - or third or fourth  the Koni´s. The hardest part is convincing the customer before the buy. T |
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2009, 19:41:11 pm » |
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Where in the US are you buying them? I found some for about $120 ea.. I'm assuming that is a pretty good price. What say the rest of you?
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2009, 19:51:39 pm » |
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I think I would rather have worn out oil shocks than KYBs. My '72 had them and it would beat the 'ell out of you. Just paint them like Konis and pocket the diff.
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HAHA!! That's awesome. Two thumbs up for your creativity. Was your '72 a Standard or Super? It was a ball joint/IRS car. I will admit it had been lowered by removing a few springs so I am sure that contributed as well. Where in the US are you buying them? I found some for about $120 ea.. I'm assuming that is a pretty good price. What say the rest of you?
There is a place that sells them online and your price is about what I have seen for them. Now the real trick is a Koni steering dampener. --louis |
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2009, 19:54:56 pm » |
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short of a stroked motor, I'd have to say swapping KYB's out for a set of Koni's out back is the best thing I've done to my car, bar none.
The difference is beyond explanation.
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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2009, 20:00:39 pm » |
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Now the real trick is a Koni steering dampener. I already have one of those Louis. I got them in a group buy. I think Deano got it started. |
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2009, 20:02:29 pm » |
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Yeah, the infamous CLF Koni buy. I almost had one, but the guy backed out.
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« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2009, 20:12:29 pm » |
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you guys might check with Mark Preisendorf @ LPI racing. He got me my Koni dampener.
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« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2009, 21:12:15 pm » |
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LPI-got some Setrab bits from those guys. They were easy to deal with. Good thing I didn't tell them I know Ratto...  |
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