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kingsburgphil
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« on: December 12, 2009, 22:04:58 pm »
Before I yank this trans, I need a second opinion please. On a swing axle race trans with a spool,  I can grasp the tire..(car on stands) top and bottom and rock it in and out. As if I was checking for play in a linkpin front end. There is a noticeable camber angle change (1/8 inch) and a corresponding knock/knock in the final drive. On one side I can rotate the wheel 90 deg. and the symptoms are less, the other side it doesn't matter.

It looks and sounds like the axles are pivoting at the outer axle bearing and moving (knocking) inside the spool. I still remember stock VW diffs, but I have zero
experience with spools and SAW axles. This trans has about 18 passes since its last teardown and functions as designed, if it makes abnormal noises you wouldn't
know with all that sweet racket going on.

Also the drain plug hole is welded over, so I can't check for crunchy bits.  Your thoughts please  Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 01:18:23 am »
Almost sounds as if there is excessive play in the fulcrum plates or a problem in that area of the spool.
I'd definitely pull it to check the axles and plates ...
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 20:47:36 pm »
Pull it out Phil.  I had the same thing with mine.  The axles were to narrow for the ZF I had and vibrated at speed.  It felt like the whole trans was coming apart.  Dave Rhoads
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2009, 05:34:16 am »
Thanks guys....Thats what I needed to hear  Wink Wink
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2009, 03:33:35 am »
Update...pulled out "mystery problem" trans, and dropped it off with Scott @ Mastercraft in Sanger Ca.


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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 19:21:24 pm »
Metalcraft Huh
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kingsburgphil
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2009, 01:51:31 am »
My mistake...Scott @ Metalcraft in Sanger, Ca. 559 313 3301  Embarrassed Embarrassed
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2009, 06:32:57 am »
Don't be hatin, its going together this week Cheesy Cheesy
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kingsburgphil
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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 03:55:45 am »
I just inspected my trans today, and it looks like decision time. To race or not to race....? 
I've decided for the time being not to race, now please don't get me wrong I still like to haul ass, but I'm not going to do it in a race only car.
So, out with the spool, in with a super diff. Out with what's left of the pro rings, in with the stock syncros. Out with the ERCO gears that are totally FUBAR, in with a close 1 2 3 & stock 4th. We'll keep the German 3.88 R&P, the SAW axles, and replace the black magic clutch disc with something more driver/syncro friendly. 

Hopefully when Scott gets done, I'll have a car that's streetable and still pretty quick.
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 04:20:54 am »
Thems are some nice looking welds on 3 and 4 Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2009, 17:29:02 pm »
Looks like them shift rings have been cut off and re-attached a time or two.

You guys are in my neck of the "Farm Belt"
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2009, 21:49:19 pm »
Quote from: Mike Lawless on December 24, 2009, 17:29:02 pm
Looks like them shift rings have been cut off and re-attached a time or two.

You guys are in my neck of the "Farm Belt"
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Clovis. Just north of ya.

I think Bryan67 and The Idea Man are close by also, it looks like I'm in good company  Smiley.
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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2009, 17:44:09 pm »
Yep. Both Byran and Ideaman (Luke) are close by. I don't see Bryan much, but Luke and I chat periodically.
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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2009, 22:11:50 pm »
My ears were ringing so I should say something. Yes, we are all here in the central valley. But it seems like the only time I ever see Mike is at the Madera show in April. We really need to get together sometime. Maybe after it warms up a bit.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 05:08:38 am »
Quote from: Mike Lawless on December 27, 2009, 17:44:09 pm
Yep. Both Byran and Ideaman (Luke) are close by. I don't see Bryan much, but Luke and I chat periodically.
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ote]Luke will"chat your ear off" just kidding  Luke is good people By the way your trans is done will call in the a.m.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2009, 17:32:39 pm »
Yeah, I need to get out there more often I know. I`ll use the ugly weather as my excuse.
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2009, 05:23:45 am »
I love a story with a happy ending, turns out I had excessive clearance inside the spool, hence the knock/knock sound. Scott @ Metalcraft reconfigured the trans
into one that's strong yet drivable, and I can't wait to get it back in the car. It was a real pleasure to work with a professional and not an another B S artist. Scott
delivered on time and under the post inspection estimate, to me as a first time customer that's impressive. Turns out that moving to central Calif. wasn't so bad after all.
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2009, 17:47:29 pm »
Just couldn't leave those webs alone, huh?  Cheesy  Thanks for the kind words and the biznuss
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2009, 18:33:20 pm »
I like the kingsburg license plate surround.  Very cool.
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2010, 04:10:12 am »
Scott is the man. We`ve known each other for maybe 20 years? Has it been that long?
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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2010, 10:13:38 am »
Funny thing is Phill lives about 1 block away from where ideaman used to live, and since about 87'ish I've been amazed about the things Bryian has put out
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2010, 17:16:35 pm »
Sweet lookin' ride from what I can see of it Phil. How about posting some more pictures?

So, with a freshly done spooled and gusseted trans by one of the best, you can't possibly be thinking of taking it to the track are you?
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2010, 10:28:53 am »
Quote from: Mike Lawless on January 01, 2010, 17:16:35 pm
Sweet lookin' ride from what I can see of it Phil. How about posting some more pictures?

So, with a freshly done spooled and gusseted trans by one of the best, you can't possibly be thinking of taking it to the track are you?

PM sent  Smiley
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