Rallybeetles

[Jussifin]

Anyone intersted in rally with beetles?  In Finland we drive rally with beetles on wintertime and summer also. There has been many rally beetles 1302, 1303 and some custom(1300 with IRS)and 1200 etc from early 1954-. Now the winners are coming back as restored into the historicrallies! New rules allow that the modifications can be as in the old cars, but the car does not need to have a racing-history. So if we dont find an old rallycar, we can do an similar one.

Today we were testing one totalrestored 1302 S -72 + one old racecar 1303 S -73. Both are with drysump 1.6 engines 46 and 48IDA:s, racegearboxes, splilimiters etc etc. The testroad was 5 kilometres long specialrallyroad and there was about 30 other historicrallycars also testing. For example: Ford escort RS 2000 mk1, Mini cooper, Mazda RX-7, Sumbeam avenger, Porsche 911, Volvo 142, Ford cortina lotus, Golf GTi mk1, Ford escort sport 1600 mk2, Mercedes 280, Bmw 2002Ti, ... etc all very fine and fast.
 
Weather was very nice with lot of snow and only minus 27c when we started testing...

With a small counting i find over 12 fine historicrallybeetles here + more is coming soon + some type3.

Also we drive here with a 1302 S beetle in rally F-class with a little bit more free regulations, testing for this seasons begins on this weeks saturday at the same place.


Winter = rally, summer = dragrace + circuitrace with beetles


Jussi

Finland

[peach_]

cool idea, have you got any pics?

[Jim Ratto]

I would love to see some pictures, hear more about preparation of cars, etc. The rally side of VW hotrodding is very rare in states.

Thank you!

[hector]

there is a salzburg works rally beetle heading to the uk soon i'll will try and take some spy shots when i can ,it all looks like good fun to me something a little different to the norm

[Jesus]

Sounds like an Excellent Day Out, and a great plan Would also love to see some photo's or Video's

[vwcab]

Yes,pics please. 

[A-C]

Jussifin and E. Eerola

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajastaika/3263122193/in/set-72157613482907373/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajastaika/3263949376/in/set-72157613482907373/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajastaika/3263123803/in/set-72157613482907373/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ajastaika/3263124429/in/set-72157613482907373/

[Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW)]

You can find a video of Jussi and Eki racing their rally VW in the following video (~6.5 minutes long -- Type 1 VW at ~5:25)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_XVehC6r6EI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/_XVehC6r6EI</a>

Here are a few stills:







Here are a few pics of Juhani L's 1302 Beetle that he used to own and race in a vintage rally car series. The rally car is awesome - super clean inside and out, full cage, race seats, belts, etc. It "only" has a 1600cc motor as per class rules, but it's sporting IDAs, big valve heads, lots of compression, and plenty of performance.
 
I was lucky enough to get a ride in and drive this car last Fall, while on a trip to Finland. I hear that Juhani's new car is now finished - hopefully Jussi has, or can get some pics of it as well.









Shots of the car in action at winter and summer rallies

[Jim Ratto]

very cool pictures Eric, more info on the silver 1302?

[Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW)]

very cool pictures Eric, more info on the silver 1302?

I'll defer to Jussi for that, as it was him who gave me the ride in the car and is friends with Juhani L. I think that the restored '72 1302 S that he mentioned in his first post is Juhani L's new car.

Here's a shot of Jussi and I after we went for a ride/drive. The big smile on my face took quite a while to fade away...



Juhani L also has a couple of very nice Ovals.

[Jussifin]

The orange one in pictures is old 1302 S rallycar in F-class, raced since 1986... Engine 1600cc with lightened std crankaxle, std balanced rods, 1.25 rockers, 85.5 forged pistons, ported 42/36 vw-heads, 48IDA:s, drysumpsystem(placed in the rear fender), old Bosch ignition. Puts out 129hp 155nm with belt + silencer + airfilters on. Gearbox with longer 1+2 and shorter 3+4 with an SF-splitlimiter, and from the end of 2009 season new gearbox with SF-gears with dogringsystem without syncros(=much faster to shift) Front Bilstein shocks, rear Konis, steering like the model in the late -75 1303 models. Extra oilcooler in the front with a fan which takes warm into the cabin with a gasoline heater. In this class bumbers can be taken off + extralights can be xenons.

Silver is allmost similar, only that it is in the historic class, so no 1.25 rockers allowed there. Silvers engine puts out little over 130hp. The gearbox is with syncros in that class.

Both has max speed around 150km/h.

Juhani L:s new 1302 S -72 car is also very nice and fast. The car is FIA-passed last week and it will get the licenceplates for trafic tomorrow. That car will join its  first historicrally on saturday 16.01.10. We try to put new photos later here.

There is lot of pictures of the Finnish historic rallycars at historicrallyclub finland sites and from there take: kuvia.


Jussi

[Jim Ratto]

Jussi thank you for posting on your silver 1302. I love the car.

 

Jim

[TSAF]

Rallybeetles are the new "scene" in Europe. Especially FIA cars fetch very good money. In Greece we have a couple of good FIA prepared cars.

[TSAF]

Take a look at our teams well prepared white 1303s FIA Appendix J specification as per the original Porsche Salzburg Cars. The power is being put down through a close-ratio transmission with straight-cut gears and a 75% locking ZF limited-slip differential. The suspension has been custom-made by the team, using Bilstein components and lexan glass all around. The car's weight is almost 810kg. The car's overall performance has been extremely steady. This year we will change the gas tank for an ATL racing item (ligther), we will improve the engines performance and finally a close ratio 901 with LSD gearbox will find its place to the car.

[TSAF]

Take a good look at the photos below.

[TSAF]

and few more............

[kafercup]

I love these cars!! More, more, more!!!!!!!!

[Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW)]

I love these cars!! More, more, more!!!!!!!!

Here are some better pics of Eki's car, Eki, and Jussi that I shot in April of last year:

[TSAF]

21st RALLY ACROPOLIS - OTHERWISE 1973
a few more photos of the Porsche Salzburg 1303

[Nico86]

That's a good thread ! I'm a big rally fan and will be happy to have more infos about it ! TSAF the websites on your signature are great place to find tech infos about it.
I'm supposed to go to see the Historical Monte-Carlo Rally at the end of the month, I will bring you pics of the VWs.

[speedwell]

That's a good thread ! I'm a big rally fan and will be happy to have more infos about it ! TSAF the websites on your signature are great place to find tech infos about it.
I'm supposed to go to see the Historical Monte-Carlo Rally at the end of the month, I will bring you pics of the VWs.

and also porsche 

[TSAF]

That's a good thread ! I'm a big rally fan and will be happy to have more infos about it ! TSAF the websites on your signature are great place to find tech infos about it.
I'm supposed to go to see the Historical Monte-Carlo Rally at the end of the month, I will bring you pics of the VWs.

Thanks a lot. If you will go to MC take a lot of pictures for this thread.

[Nico86]

That's a good thread ! I'm a big rally fan and will be happy to have more infos about it ! TSAF the websites on your signature are great place to find tech infos about it.
I'm supposed to go to see the Historical Monte-Carlo Rally at the end of the month, I will bring you pics of the VWs.

Thanks a lot. If you will go to MC take a lot of pictures for this thread.

  http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,11637.0.html

[Wheelhop]

Sorry Jussi, I tried not to post:

http://sartza.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat+2009/Uudenkaupungin+F-Cup/Actionit.wmv

[BeetleBug]

WTF, did not the notes warn about the jump?

[Eric Ellis (57HotrodVW)]

Sorry Jussi, I tried not to post:

http://sartza.1g.fi/kuvat/Rallikuvat+2009/Uudenkaupungin+F-Cup/Actionit.wmv

Ouch

It's amazing that the guy in the lawn chair never seems to move, despite the fact that he's surrounded by flipping cars, flying tires, and downed power lines...

[Andrimot]

Jussi is ok?

[Jussifin]

No problem, this was one f-cup rally on last summer. There was no signs of the double-jump and we hitted the place with full gas and 4th on...We damaged the car but the guys were ok, just it was not so easy to turn the head some days after this...
The beetle was repaired soon after this.

We raced on this year two weeks ago. We won the first stage against the bmw m3, ford rs2000 mk2 etc strong cars, but on the second stage the engine went broken. The next race will be on 13.2. with a total new engine or with the old reserve engine, it depends on this weeks dynoresults.
 
Juhani L. will race also in historic-class this weekend with his orange "new" 1302, let see how it goes...

Here is enough winter now, minus degrees all the time and lot of snow comes every day.

Jussi

[Nico86]

 

[Andrimot]

You are lucky!!

2 years i had a similar crash and my neck never want to stop hurt me!

absolutely it was a org. plan mistake..

Regards

Andreas