9 sec run with a NA engine

[markvo]

Do the Berg 58's have profiled butterflies and throttle shafts?

[LGK]

Do the Berg 58's have profiled butterflies and throttle shafts?

No they don't. This is extra labor at BERG's,don't know exactly what they charge but the 58BERG's are sold without this modification as a standard on the shelf item.

Regards Steve

[RUN IT]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/7lf_BBsQjVc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/7lf_BBsQjVc</a>

[BeetleBug]

Thanks RUN IT and congrats with the 9,9 run!

It is with the Bugpack Super Stock engine? pan car? Nitrous?

Best rgs
BB
Norway

[DKK Ted]

Do the Berg 58's have profiled butterflies and throttle shafts?

No they don't. This is extra labor at BERG's,don't know exactly what they charge but the 58BERG's are sold without this modification as a standard on the shelf item.

Regards Steve

I believe they still have the tooling for the butterfly's, not sure about the shafts. That fixture might have went after when Andy had passed away.  But they did work. Worth the extra money. When I worked there Andy did a set of both butterflys and shafts, and they did help. Still have the set and there put away, for another set of IDA's.

Ted

[RUN IT]

Thanks RUN IT and congrats with the 9,9 run!

It is with the Bugpack Super Stock engine? pan car? Nitrous?

Best rgs
BB
Norway

Thanks BB,
That was with my 2470cc Super Street engine running Berg 58's all motor. Its a pan car we built in my buddies back yard! We ran the Super Stock engine this weekend and ran a 10.85 @ 126+ at 12lbs per ci. We dropped it down to 11lbs per ci and never got a full run but even with problems it ran a best of 10.66 @ 130.30 with stock replacement head castings using 44x37.5 valves. Right now I don't know which is more impressive, the Super Street motor is state of the art and the Super Stock is completely off the shelf!!

[Udo]

Hi

that super street engine is very nice. Must be like Rogers engine !? I hope i can see them racing at Fontana next month 
I think you do the head work at heads up performance ?

Udo

[dangerous]

That video give me goose bumps.
Great to see it again, and good work Doug and Anthony!!

[sonic]

Would be very happy with your timecard Sven .. Very impressive indeed . Congrats again .

Erich 

[sven]

Thx.

I hope I can improve it at Bitburg, we are adjusting and testing the suspension and clutch for Bitburg, a lot less grip overthere but still a fast track, you never know!

Sven.

[SteveW]

Sven, it would be awesome to see you over here racing next year The best races for track prep are FIA rounds at Santa Pod, 1 in May - 'The Main Event' and then in September for the 'European Finals' (this is on now at Santa Pod') Last year at Euro Finals we had 13 passes over the weekend!

It was great to finally meet you at SCC 

[stealth67vw]

Pat Downs from CB Performance was running consistent 9.50s and 9.60s at 143 mph this past weekend at Sacramento with a his 2800cc N/A engine competing is Pro Mod.

[sven]

I want to do this with my floorpan and full metal body, no tube chassis and no plastic.

[SPRasmussen]

I want to do this with my floorpan and full metal body, no tube chassis and no plastic.

Thats is the right way to do it :-)

[Jussifin]

Is the goal only for race or streetcars? I would like to make a new goal for those streetdriveable cars for next season, first we fill the fueltanks in normal gasstation max 99 octans std, then drive that 30 miles etc drive on the street to the raceplace, there put wheeliebars + change maybe stinger on + get belt off if needed, and then we will see what times comes up...
We are not using 85e because from my carage it is 65km to the gasstation where to get it and also on rally + circuitrace it is not allowed here.
Next week i am putting my old street engine back on circuitracebeetle and if it works ok that one more 15 lap hard circuitrace, then i will take it to JPM dynoday for test

Jussi

[Airspeed]

+ get belt off if needed, ..

Cool idea, but no fan belt off I would say, as that would not really qualify as street-ready to operate. I understand the wheelie bars if you think you need them from a safety point of view 
The stinger...mwa, if you think that really helps you a lot 
Street cars are so much more fun I think.

[Brap Brap Brap]

Yeah.street legal.

Dirk

[Big Power]

Here is one of my 9.60 runs at 143mph

[Udo]

Hi Pat

Sounds very smooth and not too much rpm's !? 

Good luck Udo

[Big Power]

Hi Pat

Sounds very smooth and not too much rpm's !? 

Good luck Udo

Thanks Udo, I was shifting the car in every gear at 9300 and going through the lites at 9200. I think it was were the camara was mounted that made it sound like it wasn't reving high.

[Airspeed]

That was SOOOO cool Pat! Great vid but thats due to a great n/a engine!
Man, that revs quick.

[Jussifin]

Nice drive!!! 

And for the streetrecord: ok, belt on + mufler on, just add the wheeliebars if needed...
 

 

[jr59]

HI Pat,
Well the very first time I red your mph I was really impressed as you reach turbo engine car  speed!!
really awesome car/work ! 
it's hard to keep the way in the N/A engine due to the hard work we have to go really fast ...  comparing to the turbo set up
But it's our addiction too !!   
cheer
JR

[Big Power]

HI Pat,
Well the very first time I red your mph I was really impressed as you reach turbo engine car  speed!!
really awesome car/work ! 
it's hard to keep the way in the N/A engine due to the hard work we have to go really fast ...  comparing to the turbo set up
But it's our addiction too !!   
cheer
JR

Thanks JR, I plan on getting the car to go faster soon. Been playing with some different gear combinations. Mike and Sam at Rancho are helping me with a new gearbox, thanks Rancho! Went to a taller gear set and lost a tenth in the eigth mile but got it back in the qaurter mile. Need to go back to the original first gear and I think I have a 9:40 car.

[Peter Shattock]

Just out of interest does any one know what other makes of car running 4 cylinder naturally aspirated engines run 9's or are close to running 9's, or perhaps even faster. I can't help thinking the Jap crowd must have some quick cars, but as with VW's the turbo cars are the ones grabbing the headlines from what I can see.

Hats off to you guys who are trying to make it into the 9's, 2011 should be good to watch!

Peter

[dangerous]

I think some of the Japanese makes have run very low nines.(FWD!)
They may have even cracked into the 8 second zone by now,
but we we probably would have heard about it...or perhaps not!

[Neil Davies]

I think some of the Japanese makes have run very low nines.(FWD!)
They may have even cracked into the 8 second zone by now,
but we we probably would have heard about it...or perhaps not!

But they all seem to be running with hairdryers. I've spent a few evenings browsing all sorts of drag stuff on the net, and it seems that most 4-cylinder N/A cars are struggling to make it out of the 12's! Wheen the going gets tough, most bolt on a turbo!

[Fiatdude]

I believe Roger ran a 10.004 at Fontana earlier this year and was having transmissions problems and missed a shift on that run

[Peter Shattock]

I think some of the Japanese makes have run very low nines.(FWD!)
They may have even cracked into the 8 second zone by now,
but we we probably would have heard about it...or perhaps not!

So are you saying these are N/A times? I struggled to find anyting 9 second type quick (N/A 4 cylinder) outstide the VW world on the net the other night. Perhaps I just don't know where to look though? As ever the rotary boys are right up there though.

Peter

[Deadly1]

Do not fall in to trap to considering a rotary motor comparable to our little motors. By their nature rotary engines are able to perform both functions (intake & exhaust) on the same rotation thus effectively doubling their horsepower potential. Rotary engines should have their advertised displacement doubled. Proof of this is in their fuel consumption levels, much closer to that of the bigger V8's. Nevertheless due to superior head design you will definitely find newer NA 4 cylinder engined cars typically running quicker than our VW brothers. Wayne