The Cal-look Lounge
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 26, 2024, 22:02:41 pm

Login with username, password and session length
Thank you for your support!
Search:     Advanced search
350688 Posts in 28576 Topics by 6823 Members
Latest Member: Riisager
* Home This Year's European Top 20 lists All Time European Top 20 lists Search Login Register
+  The Cal-look Lounge
|-+  Cal-look/High Performance
| |-+  Cal-look
| | |-+  Sump Quiz....
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Sump Quiz....  (Read 5480 times)
deano
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1851



WWW
« on: June 21, 2011, 05:07:01 am »

Found this interesting sump at Sacramento, well made, but it has no names anywhere on it. Looks kinda like a Lang... Any ideas?
Logged

Hot VWs Magazine Window Washer
Anglia Obsolete Guru
'67 Heaven
kingsburgphil
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 876



« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2011, 05:36:09 am »

Just a guess... S&S,  Saurer & Sohn?
Logged
dave greiner
Jr. Member
**
Posts: 62


« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2011, 06:02:53 am »

I still have one on my motor! I'm pretty sure that it is a Lang. We used to sell them at Auto Haus.
Logged
Bruce
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1414


« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2011, 07:41:15 am »

I don't think it's a Lang.
A Lang sump has a few innovative features that aren't in that one.
Logged
bugnut68
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1751


« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2011, 16:41:39 pm »

Not related to the post, but I passed on a Berg 3.5 qt. sump (no hardware, sump only) at Sac... I didn't bother to ask what he wanted for it because he went off on an unwarranted yet brief rant about the difficulty in getting parts directly from Bergs... so I pretty well figured it wasn't likely to be a bargain.  lol.  Perhaps my loss.
Logged
javabug
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2103


WHAT'S UP WID DA BOOM BOOM???


« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2011, 17:35:00 pm »

Empihaft? Treuhaus? Bergpack?
Logged

Mike H.

Sven was right.
Frenchy Dehoux
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1283



« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2011, 22:05:50 pm »



  Looks like a version of Race Trim from Auto Haus.

   Frenchy

 
Logged

Doctor Detail ( Retired )
Gary Justus
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 403



« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2011, 22:43:33 pm »

Lang.
Logged
2manytoys
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 395



« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 05:50:45 am »

Deano,...how much did you spend?

http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1155295

P-
Logged

Patrick Friel -..2manytoys, not enough time or money
deano
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1851



WWW
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 06:15:53 am »

About the cost of a sixer of Coronas....

But it is exactly like that one on thesamba... small world.
Logged

Hot VWs Magazine Window Washer
Anglia Obsolete Guru
'67 Heaven
edcraig
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 462



« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 06:37:00 am »

I agree...Lang. 
Logged
Diederick/DVK
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3692


They're never done till they're sold


WWW
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 10:03:58 am »

What kind of innovate features did you mean Bruce?
It definitely looks like a Lang, and nothing else IMHO, perhaps an early Lang?
Logged

Diederick
 -
Proud member of:
DVK ~ Der Vollgas Kreuzers
WCB Hitler's Hot Rod
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1182


« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2011, 12:32:54 pm »

You all fail! It's a WANG! Chinese knockoff of LANG.  Roll Eyes  
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 06:19:50 am by wcb cal-look focker » Logged

WARNING! BE PREPARED FOR A ROLLING BLACKOUT.

West Coast Blitz... "Motha Sucka!"

You may have some Swag, but I OWN da Swagoo!!

This right here is my 'lil Nazi-killa!
Bruce
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1414


« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2011, 06:04:35 am »

What kind of innovate features did you mean Bruce?
It definitely looks like a Lang, and nothing else IMHO, perhaps an early Lang?
See the top corners in this drawing?  They dip down from the top deck.  Gary did this to clear the 4 corners of the engine case where the lower tin bolts on.  He did this to get the top deck of the sump as high and as close to the case as possible.  Those 4 corners of his sump were intended to be only 1-2mm from the case.  That way if the engine bottomed out, the corner of the sump would only deflect up by that small amount.  And that amount is not enough to cause the sump to break.  The mystery sump above doesn't have this unique feature.

Next look at the part of the sump directly below the engine case part line.  Again, the deck dips down to clear the bolts that hold the case together.  It gets the sump as high and close to the case as possible.

Go up and look at this mystery sump's mounting flange where it attaches to the case.  See how tall it is?  The designer of that sump didn't care how low it hung from the case.

In the 3rd pic above, you can clearly see how thick the mounting flange of the mystery sump is.  This requires longer studs, or special long nuts like Berg currently supplies.  Gary didn't go this way.  His flange was quite thin.  So thin that you didn't need any special hardware to attach his sump.  But a thin flange is no good, right?  Not a problem with the way a Lang sump fits so close to the case.

The fins on the top of a Lang are a lot shorter.  That's because it is so close to the case, they can't be nearly as tall as the ones above.

Have another look at the drawing of the Lang.  On the far side, you can see two of the fins on top have a short break in them.  This was to clear the bump on the case for the stud for the thermostat.

IMO it doesn't look anything like a Lang sump.
Logged
WCB Hitler's Hot Rod
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1182


« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2011, 06:32:27 am »

JC Penny? Kiss
Logged

WARNING! BE PREPARED FOR A ROLLING BLACKOUT.

West Coast Blitz... "Motha Sucka!"

You may have some Swag, but I OWN da Swagoo!!

This right here is my 'lil Nazi-killa!
speedwell
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 14701


the archivist


WWW
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2011, 18:14:47 pm »

here's my empi , same mould at the lang sump

[ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ]

and check this tread and in this tread
 

another interesting tread with lang stuff , not sure that dean sump was a lang or another one who was mase in the same mould  as the lang sump like empi/dds/racetrim /treuhaft
« Last Edit: June 23, 2011, 18:18:46 pm by speedwell » Logged

http://speedwell55.skynetblogs.be/
oldspeed 61 standard empi/speedwell
Jos
Full Member
***
Posts: 208


« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 01:21:24 am »

Is this the same sump as well? I've been searching for quite a while as to who manufactured this. I picked mine up for more like the price of a six pack of heineken  Grin

Logged
oilstain
Newbie
*
Posts: 35


« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 01:54:23 am »

It's an early Scat!  Look at some of the early scat catalogs. 
Logged
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!