another oil topic (in europe)

[Peter]

hey guys,
what brands available in europe have a higher zddp concentration?
are there any normal off the shelf oils you use?
I could find Brad Penn in Holland, but i d like to find something more common and more locally if possible...

thanks, Peter

[Martin Greaves]

Hey Peter try millers

www.millersoils.net

[tikimadness]

Hey Peter `I'm using Miller as well.I'm realy satisfied with it.

Michael

[Peter]

thanks guys,
do you use the classic racing oil or the classic 20w50?

[SteveW]

I have been using the Millers CFS 10w60 oil and I'm really happy with it. It looks clean after I drop it out after 2-3 race meetings (I don't think you have to change it that frequently though!) and when we tore the motor down everything looked great inside. Take a look at www.opieoils.co.uk for great deals on many brands including Millers.

Steve

[BeetleBug]

One more Millers CFS 10w60 user here.

[Peter]

Thanks,
What about Penrite?
I asked a local shop and they have classic oils as well:
the Zinc content:  mass % 0.176
this is 1760 ppm , correct?
and Phosphorus, mass % 0.160

[Torben Alstrup]

While Miller makes good oil, the CFS is not the best suited for our engines. It may clean good, but the additive package does not equal what we would like. (For racing it may be ok, because they get inspected often. But for street use I would choose another blend. I remember seeing a blackisk can with Miller Classic oil. But I couldnt find it just now.
For the time being Brad Penn and Joe Gibb´s HR3 is still the best oil especially for street use, on the market, both wrt temperature control and wear. Small special blends are popping up now and then with claims of so and so good for classic engines. Some of them may actually be very good. But most of them are cheap crudes with a lilltle above average additive package.

I will admit though that is is a jungle. It is almost impossible to try and evaluate all brands. I have spent way too much money on this subject to ever make it up again, and found a few blends that works well. I´ll stick with those until someone else proves me better.

T

[Airspeed]

- Kendall Racing green: 20W50 available at www.noviol.nl (Nijmegen), about 5 euro/ltr if you get a 'pail' of 19.1 ltr
- Valvoline VR1 racing 20W50, also excellent oil with the additional ZDDP content at or over 1200 ppm.

[Peter]

thanks guys,
well i ll pass by the shop in my town and check out the classic Penrite,
but i also emailed Kendall for information

[Peter]

Hey Guys,
Can somebody tell me if this is true?

the Zinc content:  mass % 0.176
this is 1760 ppm , correct?

cheers, Peter

[Airspeed]

Yes, 1760 part per million (ppm), which is 1,760 parts per 1000 = 0,1760 parts per 100 = 0,176 %
Just shifting komma's till its where you want it 

[Peter]

Thanks Walter,
sounds like good oil then to me

[paul_f]

While Miller makes good oil, the CFS is not the best suited for our engines. It may clean good, but the additive package does not equal what we would like.

What is wrong with the additive package?

[Peter]

hey guys,
somebody ever used valvoline vr1 racing 15w50 synthetic?
i d like to have less viscosity when cold compared to the Penrite I have now...(20w60)
cheers,
Peter

[neil68]

...Joe Gibb´s HR3 is still the best oil especially for street use, on the market, both wrt temperature control and wear.

I've been using Joe Gibb's HR4 (high zinc) with the last two camshaft swaps and everything looks perfect upon inspection

[DWL_Puavo]

I've always used Kendall GT-1 20W50 from the first startup (with little bit of added STP or similar zddp additive) to 6 hours endurance racing (plain Kendall). After few years and about 60 hours of track race and some street use, cam (webcam 86c) and lifters (cb ultralight) were a-ok. Now thinking of turning to synthetic 10W60 as our "oil well" of cheap Kendall is dried up.

[Harry/FDK]

Brad(ford) Penn(sylvania) bought/re-named the Kendall refinery and is producing the oils as they should be. With zinc add. Kendall was swallowed up by Conoco/Phillips around 1997 and their quality went down as far as zinc contents. Also, Brad Penn is in consideration to be the main supplier for the Harley Davidson Company, since Sunoco will be dropped as their supplier.

[Torben Alstrup]

Brad(ford) Penn(sylvania) bought/re-named the Kendall refinery and is producing the oils as they should be. With zinc add. Kendall was swallowed up by Conoco/Phillips around 1997 and their quality went down as far as zinc contents. Also, Brad Penn is in consideration to be the main supplier for the Harley Davidson Company, since Sunoco will be dropped as their supplier.

Interesting !!!

T

[reijo5]

Any one tried this ?[/ftp]

eastwood zinc additive .

I saw on another forum , that1400 ppm used in a engine that does not have a oil change after a few hours use ,i.e full race , may suffer from corrosion to pistons/ cylinders etc
because of such a high zinc content and less regular oil changes i.e street car ?  is this true?? or sound likely

Does any one have the zinc ppm of all the oils discussed above ,or any other good oils to make a comparison?

I use VR1 which i think is 1200 or 1400 ppm ?

cheers

Jamie 

 

 

[Fasterbrit]

I contacted the tech dept at Millers oils a few years back and asked the zinc content of their CFS range and the answer was: 1500 ppm. As a precaution, I also add some zinc additive to CFS 15-60 in my race car. Seems to work well for my application

[Airspeed]

Brad(ford) Penn(sylvania) bought/re-named the Kendall refinery and is producing the oils as they should be. With zinc add. Kendall was swallowed up by Conoco/Phillips around 1997 and their quality went down as far as zinc contents. Also, Brad Penn is in consideration to be the main supplier for the Harley Davidson Company, since Sunoco will be dropped as their supplier.

Old news and not even correct as such, but Kendall is operating on its own now indeed.
Zinc levels haven't dropped though with the Kendall recent stuff, not sure where you got that info from.

[H67bug]

Joe Gibbs hot rod oil with zinc supplement to hit engine builders target zinc level.

[Peter]

I am looking at this right now (easy to get here)
what viscosity would you choose? oil temp operating temperature is about 95°C
I was thinking to get the 10w60 semi synthetic:

http://www.valvoline.be/media/VR1-Racing-5W-50-10W-60-20W-50.pdf

cheers, P

[Udo]

That is a nice oil . i would use 20-50 mineral oil

Udo

[viNce]

anyone knows if this oil is available in Europe?

http://joegibbsdriven.com/products/highperformance/dt50.html

[Peter]

Thanks for the advice Udo,
Any reason why not to run the 10w60?
I d say its better for higher operating temps?

cheers, Peter

[Airspeed]

With the logic that a higher weight oil is better for high temps, a 10W70 would even be better right?
Heck, a W80 would be even better then that even!
You see where this is going right? 
Oil weight at operating temps is largely dependent on the (set) engine tolerances yours is build with (with a certain application in mind usually).
If you think your engine will be too/very hot, IMO deal with that, not band-aid it with a thicker oil.

[Udo]

Thanks for the advice Udo,
Any reason why not to run the 10w60?
I d say its better for higher operating temps?

cheers, Peter

I would not recommed synthetic oil. And up to 50 must be ok when your engine is ok 
We used the castrol 10-60 on the circuit track , but those cars had hot temperatures
Udo

[BeetleBug]

Udo, I hope you don't mind me asking: why would you not recommend synthetic oil?

-BB-