Crow Y harness seat belts installation and tips

[guillaume]

Hello,

I would like to use Crow harness Y seat belts in my beetle.
How do I have to install it ? Can I bolt the end of the Y belt at the rear seat ?

I saw this advert on ebay and it seems to be what I am looking for but not 100% sure :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Crow-3x3-4-Way-Belts-Harness-Belt-Rhino-Gray-Padded-/380382994990?vxp=mtr&hash=item589097e22e

Do you have any tips on how to install those Crow harnesses ? Or what is the part number you are using ?

Does the lenght is identical in 3x3 and 2x2 ?

The attached pics is just to give you an idea of what I want to do.

Thans for your help guys

[Solexine]

I just have this tips from Simpsons:

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[guillaume]

Thanks

Any of you use Y Crow harness in a VW ?

[GreenTom]

I just bought 2 sets. Gonna install them as you've shown. The same (or almost the same) drawing is on the crow box so you should have it.

Remember to weld some brackets to strengthen the surface around the bracket


 

[guillaume]

Hey Tom,

Thanks for your answer
Could you let me know the part number on the box please ?
Many thanks

[GreenTom]

I got mine form CB Performance. Te Crow part number is: 11094, CB number is: 7015

The harness is really nice and well made.
I don't care if it's street legal or not 50% of my car isn't street legal so who cares. Poland is a grate country... "Pigs" buy almost everything you tell them.

I just wonder if the genuine mounting places will be ok of waste belt.
Cheers
Tom.

[TiDi]

Hi

I need to buy some Y harness seat belts as well,
I'm thinking to install in the same way as shown in this thread.

Wich one are you using 2" or 3"?
And wich lenght  should I buy?

I've got a seat like the one in this picture...



Thanks,
Matteo

[GreenTom]

Hi,

If you're gonna buy 5 or 4 point belts go for 3". Those 2" ones do really bad things to you when you crash. My friend had really bad accident during rally, he had 3" shoulder harness and his pilot had 2" ones... not only very nasty bruises but also broken clavicle while the driver got only some bruises.

cheers
Tom

[62 Ragtop]

Hi, Just to point out - stick to the installation tip from both Simpson and Crow (the illustration is the exact same from both manufacturers) and re-think the picture attached in the first post...

I was thinking along the same lines for my "street-car" (i e, attaching the shoulder straps behind the rear seat) but got the strong and clear recommendation from my local Simpson dealer to be very careful with the angle for the shoulder straps. If the angle is too steep (downwards) that can cause some serious damage (compression) on your spinalcord should you ever be in an accident / crash. That is why the illustration indicates 0deg to 10deg angle only...

Just to be sure. 

cheers,

[TiDi]

I'm not in front of my car...
but it seems to me that if someone attaches the shoulder straps behind the rear seat also on the highest point is unlikely that the angle will be between 0 and 10 degrees...
nevertheless I saw more than one car with this sort of setup...

did someone checked that angle?

If this is not the correct solution, what should I do?
avoid the shoulder straps and use only the lap belt?
I cannot install a rollbar at the moment....

Thanks,
Matteo

[mg]

Ideally you would like a seat that has openings for the shoulder belts to rest on top of your shoulder.
Not resting on top of the high back seat...
If you run the shoulder belt over the top of the seat the shoulder belt could slide off the side.
Also you might get a false tighten if you are pulling the houlder harness on the top of the seat instead of having the belt wrapped around the top of your shoulder.

Also the seat should have a hole between your legs for the sub belt.
Without a sub belt the shoulder harness with pull the lap belt up too high on your torso.
The sub belt locates the lap belt,,, after those two are tight then you tighten the shoulder belts.
Also on the sub belt I prefer the 5 point style, it stays mostly out of the way towards the front of the seat base.
The 6 point belts attach the sub belt to the lap belt mounts...problem is then you are always sitting on two sub belts...
just a big hassle I thought.

If you don't have a roll bar for your shoulder belts..
some Porsche racers lacking a roll bar use a cross bar that is used for shoulder belt mounting.
This would require some fabrication for a VW as I dont know of a crossbar seat belt kit for VWs.

The belts you have seen incorrectly installed may never go to the track or have never have had to pass a safety tech.
I got dinged once b/c I forgot to cotter pin/safety wire my hook in belts...
fixed it at the track but took some time to remove the seat to cotter pin the belt hardware.
Yes you need to have your belts correctly installed...your first drawing is not correct.  
Dont short cut safety and dont use vintage out of date seat belts or seats.

Two thoughts:
Why doesn't he have arm restraints on in an open cockpit car, and...
Why are his shoulder belts mounted higher than his shoulders...
 
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[DWL_Puavo]

I had Crow's Y-belts in my -62. I fabricated a simple crossbar that bolted into the same bolts that the body is bolted on a pan near the inside of rear fenders. The crossbar itself was placed just behind the rear seat. I made this because the other non-visible way was to bolt the Y-belt's normal bracket into rear seat belt bolt behind the rear seat, which is a bit offset and also the force to the belts bracket is not in the correct way in the case of an accident.

In any way, they aren't the most comfortable with such a long part of the belt behind your shoulders - they are quite heavy by itself, and 32kg of labradorian retriever laying on the belt in the back seat doesn't relieve any of the tension from your shoulders