Webers made in Hong Kong?

[56BLITZ]

Okay, so the seller is not passing these off as Webers, but as "new replacement carb/carburetor for bug/beetle/vw/44idf".
I like this part in the description . . .  "please think about carefully before buy ".  Note the sellers name . . . any relation to the Bergs we know?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220795329709

[draven898]

i seriously doubt it

[TexasTom]

Well they've already sold several of them ... some even to the US.
Maybe the owners lurk here and will chime in as to there impressions?
Sure are inexpensive

TxT

[PIMPPRIDE]

its most likely an china EMPI HPMX without any of the EMPI stamps of quality on it...   

hence could be loosely called a reproduction IDF

[kingsburgphil]

PRC webers, why not?  They make everything else...or so it seems.

http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/454647524/IDF_44.html?s=p

[Rick Meredith]

48s too!

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/125036135/WEBER_48_IDA_CARBURETOR.html

[Zach Gomulka]

Chebers?

[Fritter]

Frickin' China.   

I am torn with China stuff.  I like Harbor Freight, the cheapness, etc.  But I hate the copying and shitty quality. 

I feel dirty when I buy China stuff, like that feeling you had in college when you got ripped and banged the fat ugly chick.   

[Fritter]

Chebers?

 

[Lemonade]

new replacement carb/carburetor for bug/beetle/vw/44idf
 
40idf please see the item number 220737426352
 
No any number  and words printed on carb body,
 
I think will fit many cars ,but i don`t know the details
 
but can`t sure fit   your engine 100%, please think about carefully before buy .
 
ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE ASK ME, I WILL REPLY YOU SOONLY.
 
I shipping to worldwide ,and the shipping cost will be 35 USD.


WTF, how your english?

Lems

[kingsburgphil]

Chebers?

Chinker's ?

In their defense.   From airframe components for 737's to 99 cent pliers, everything is made to a customers specs.

That is assuming QC is doing their job and the right palms are greased.


PS. If you have the chance, visit China for a few weeks...more than an eyefull !!

[2manytoys]

They are selling the knock offs it would appear, and I would take the originals when the option is there...but with over 1000 feedbacks and 100% positive,...hmmm. They are doing something right. I think they may want to consider letting someone help them with the Chinese to English translation. Would be interesting to see if anyone here has dealt with them personally.

[Rick Meredith]

Chebers?

HaHa!

[56BLITZ]

i seriously doubt it

Of course! I was absolutely joking about the eBay seller having any relation to the Bergs. As soon as I saw that username I was cracking up laughing!

In their defense . . . everything is made to a customers specs.

I think you’re right. China must have the capability to produce world-class products . . . at least the equipment to do so. As for quality, R&D and creating new, original designs. . . well . . . I guess China keeps busy just scratching the itch . . . they have plenty of customers willing to buy imitation.

I was just caught a little off guard when I saw these. I think one of the worst part of something like this ( or wheels, or restoration parts, or 90.5mm P/L, or . . . ) is when cheap junk floods the market and reduces the demand and incentive for other companies to produce nice parts.

[65bug]

Then don't buy china crap! My motor I think has all American and or German parts in it! That's it. I would not trust their GARBAGE ENGINEERING AND FORGING for anything in my 8000.00 plus motor.
A prime example is scats "lube a lobe" lifters and many of their other JUNK parts sold to the masses.
     The Made in America stuff will cost you big time up front, but save you big time in back by not failing and taking out your entire motor......

[bugnut68]

A lot of the parts out there are made in China with the finish machine work done here in the U.S.

[65bug]

so that makes the forging, strength and materials good then huh.........

[bugnut68]

so that makes the forging, strength and materials good then huh.........

Compared to what/whom?  I'm not saying I like it, only stating the facts...   Ask the guys at any of the major performance parts manufacturers where they're getting their parts, I'm sure they could likely detail the specifics.

[Dan Mazur]

My Take on Chinese parts.  

Six years ago I bought a brand new Honda CRF 50 F.  I modified it with an American made 88cc top end, clutch, Sano billet swingarm & BBR billet front end.  At the same time, my friend who wanted to save money, bought a Chinese knock off pit bike that looked like my bike.  Upon assembly out of its crate,  you could see lots of quality compromises.  After one hour,  the transmission fell apart.

These days many parts imported from China have been refined by American R&D.  So the quality is better.  All that aside,  the Chinese government is mandating the people to work as slaves for minimal pay and there are no regulations or standards of pollution control.  Not to mention the news reports of the Chinese Government's involvement in cyber-hacking our technology.

I remember the comparison of VW German parts with Brazilian and Mexican made parts in the 80's.  Ironically, I'm building my engine with Brazilian and Mexican parts to avoid using any Chinese parts.

The American manufacturers will exploit any foreign country for manufacturing just to stay in business.  It won't be long when the Chinese manufacturing companies will recognize their quality, raise their price and the American companies find another country to exploit.  During all of this,  American citizens continue to be unemployed....outsourcing really blows....

[65bug]

Hi Larry,
     You know what, I don't know you. But I will add my two cents to what you just said: You left one thing out of your reply. Maybe American companies HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF STRICT EPA CRAP AND BULLSHIT REGULATIONS IMPOSED ON THEM IN THIS COUNTRY.
      And what do I mean by that? Bullshit global warming laws, purchasing carbon credits, and the list of crap goes on!!!! They  DO NOT DO THAT IN CHINA! And you know that. Then we have the Communist Government over there that makes the people work and live at the factories for 10.00 a MONTH!!!!
     I honestly feel that American companies WANT TO MANUFACTURE THEIR PRODUCTS HERE. WITH EMPLOYEES WHO CARE AND DO A SUPERB JOB. BUT HOW CAN THEY WHEN WE HAVE A NITWIT PRESIDENT AND THE EPA THINKS THEY ARE GOD.
     And on "ALL CHINA PARTS", Check out Pauter, Berg, Bugpack. They do have American quality parts! And you can still get German parts too. ANY LITTLE CHINESE PART I HAVE PUT ON MY MOTOR HAS FAILED...MISERABLY!!!!
     My 2165 is all German and American parts. And it runs great! If you ask for a demand USA parts, they will start producing them. YOU CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT, TAKE A GARBAGE PART AND MAKE IT BETTER BY MACHINING IT OVER HERE! I DO NOT CARE HOW GOOD YOU ARE. A GARBAGE PART IS A GARBAGE PART.....................lol
     

[bugnut68]

FWIW, my 2017 in the works has a DPR welded German stroker crank... I'll gladly support businesses like Jose at DPR, not only for the quality product by the customer service, as well.  I'm hard pressed to think of any Chinese parts in/on my engine at the moment; maybe the 36 horse shroud from Scat, but I'm not sure they're made overseas.  Rods are stock German VW 311 rods, stroker clearanced, lifters are German, cam is Engle... at most, maybe some of the case hardware or tin hardware is offshore, but thats' about it

[A-C]

China Idf:s

http://www.aircooled.fi/data/i/idf_10.jpg

http://www.aircooled.fi/data/dth/id/idf_2_fsak49n2eu.jpg_860x860.jpg

http://www.aircooled.fi/data/dth/id/idf_3_6acev-5ns1.jpg_860x860.jpg

[65bug]

Jose is a great guy and does nice work! That's a great crank and will last if you take care of it! The more American German parts the better in my opinion. I would not even consider purchasing fake chine webers. No thanks! Dont need the heachache's

[DKK Ted]

Italians or Spainish ones for me! 

Ted

[Zach Gomulka]

Hi Larry,
     You know what, I don't know you. But I will add my two cents to what you just said: You left one thing out of your reply. Maybe American companies HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE OF STRICT EPA CRAP AND BULLSHIT REGULATIONS IMPOSED ON THEM IN THIS COUNTRY.
      And what do I mean by that? Bullshit global warming laws, purchasing carbon credits, and the list of crap goes on!!!! They  DO NOT DO THAT IN CHINA! And you know that. Then we have the Communist Government over there that makes the people work and live at the factories for 10.00 a MONTH!!!!
     I honestly feel that American companies WANT TO MANUFACTURE THEIR PRODUCTS HERE. WITH EMPLOYEES WHO CARE AND DO A SUPERB JOB. BUT HOW CAN THEY WHEN WE HAVE A NITWIT PRESIDENT AND THE EPA THINKS THEY ARE GOD.
     And on "ALL CHINA PARTS", Check out Pauter, Berg, Bugpack. They do have American quality parts! And you can still get German parts too. ANY LITTLE CHINESE PART I HAVE PUT ON MY MOTOR HAS FAILED...MISERABLY!!!!
     My 2165 is all German and American parts. And it runs great! If you ask for a demand USA parts, they will start producing them. YOU CANNOT, I REPEAT CANNOT, TAKE A GARBAGE PART AND MAKE IT BETTER BY MACHINING IT OVER HERE! I DO NOT CARE HOW GOOD YOU ARE. A GARBAGE PART IS A GARBAGE PART.....................lol
     

Yeah, cuz you know the Dems are the ones that outsource to China! Right!

[youngnstudly]

Italians or Spainish ones for me! 

Ted

Are we still talking about Webers? Italian chicks are hot, but some are crazy!    I guess my Italian Webers are pretty good too, though not as good as an Italian woman.

 I really wish China would quit copying and producing lesser quality items, and instead come up with some new and innovative items....As long as "we" (American's) are going to depend on them to build everything for us anyways. Of course I dream of the same thing most other (conscious and partially educated) American's dream of...An America that has potential to support itself using it's own resources and all this damn fancy education we apparently have. All these "Alumni of insert school name here" bumper stickers and license plate frames and our country is still going down hill. So much for education! Just my opinion here....Not that anyone asked.

-Andy

[Dan Mazur]

Italians or Spainish ones for me! 

Ted

Are we still talking about Webers? Italian chicks are hot, but some are crazy!    I guess my Italian Webers are pretty good too, though not as good as an Italian woman.

Have you seen the new Fiat Abarth commercial???

[Hecker]

My nephew was in China 5 years ago, he and a couple friends bought 10 ROLEX watches
for less than 35 BUCKS (total) $3.50 each, the one he bought is still working, although you
have to wind it every hour or so !! Just cuz it's from CHINA and it looks like a WEBER doesn't
mean it will run like a WEBER. I remember a great philosopher ( GENE BERG ) once said
"BUY the BEST and CRY ONCE !!! "   Another person I know says  the price of HAY is  based          
 on the stage of DIGESTION !    

[jamiep_jamiep]

Its a huge problem that effects every place where people have the ingenuity and technical knowhow to put together something great. Its happened here in the UK too, we're just lucky that so far the European parts made by folks like JPM and others (having seen some of the parts no doubt some of the highest quality and innovative parts in the world for our cars) are still 'under the radar'.

I think its perhaps wrong to assume all parts made in China are junk, all parts from ANYWHERE should be evaluated on their own merits. I've seen junk from British companies, along with some amazing parts (take a look at some of the stuff Martin Taylor has produced, to say nothing of the huge base of F1 manufacturers), and no doubt there are the same issues in America and the world over.

I think as a community the best we can do is to highlight parts that are failing, or misrepresented (was it Scat selling parts as Made in America which were made in China?).

[Fasterbrit]

I try not to buy from china if I can. Hell, even my chinese takeaways are made in England