New Pistons available to VW owners

[Lids]

Icon have made some pistons for VW use, I don't know too much about them other than they are 94 strokers, I think they come with Barrels, but will confirm later.

[pupjoint]

i see this site also lists custom pistons for acvws.

http://www.rosspistons.com/

[viNce]

CSP makes also their own forged kits now.

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=172222159008&rub1=Engine&rub2=Barrels%20%2F%20Pistons%20and%20Rods%2CPistons%20and%20Cylinders%2CType%2D1&artnr=25466a&pn=0&sort=0&all=

[Lids]

CSP makes also their own forged kits now.

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=172222159008&rub1=Engine&rub2=Barrels%20%2F%20Pistons%20and%20Rods%2CPistons%20and%20Cylinders%2CType%2D1&artnr=25466a&pn=0&sort=0&all=

I understand these are the ones i am referring to.

[richie]

CSP makes also their own forged kits now.

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=172222159008&rub1=Engine&rub2=Barrels%20%2F%20Pistons%20and%20Rods%2CPistons%20and%20Cylinders%2CType%2D1&artnr=25466a&pn=0&sort=0&all=

Seems like alot of money for a mahle replacement? and the mahles are just starting to be available again,will be interesting to see what they retail for now as a comparision

cheers richie

[Lids]

Stateside tuning have Mahle stroker 94's in stoke

[Georg/DFL]

CSP makes also their own forged kits now.

http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=172222159008&rub1=Engine&rub2=Barrels%20%2F%20Pistons%20and%20Rods%2CPistons%20and%20Cylinders%2CType%2D1&artnr=25466a&pn=0&sort=0&all=

Seems like alot of money for a mahle replacement? and the mahles are just starting to be available again,will be interesting to see what they retail for now as a comparision

cheers richie

But they seem to be lighter and having more up-to-date features than Mahles.

[Lids]

Saw them in the flesh today.

they are lighter than the mahles (i think by 80gms), will up some weights later this week for comparison.

Georg is correct they are better made and have more modern features, pics a little later.

they are forged in the USA.

The kit comprises of Icon True forged pistons with offset pins, mahle barrels, grant rings, spirox lox clips.  As i understand there was a limited run of 180 sets.  Shared between 3 companies, CSP, European and Stateside tuning.

[Lids]

Pics for you to make your mind up.

[richie]

Lids do you have a price in £? and can you explain what you mean by offset pins? and what thickness are the rings?

Georg,I dont doubt there are some improvements over the regular mahles but at 649euros using mahle cylinders is alot,the need to be as good or better than Wiseco's latest offering,also JE&CP's as well for that price,remember VW people are cheap Buying a new product from a company most will have never heard of will go against most peoples nature

cheers richie

[Lids]

Lids do you have a price in £? and can you explain what you mean by offset pins? and what thickness are the rings?

Georg,I dont doubt there are some improvements over the regular mahles but at 649euros using mahle cylinders is alot,the need to be as good or better than Wiseco's latest offering,also JE&CP's as well for that price,remember VW people are cheap Buying a new product from a company most will have never heard of will go against most peoples nature

cheers richie

http://www.kb-silvolite.com/icon/index.html

These are same people who make the Keith Black Type 4 pistons.

Ring packs in tried and tested size 1,5 x 2,0 x 4,0

[Rick Meredith]

Is anyone in the US carrying these? I'd hate to pay to have them shipped across the Atlantic twice.

[Lids]

Is anyone in the US carrying these? I'd hate to pay to have them shipped across the Atlantic twice.

try: http://www.europeanmotorworks.com/

I think its them.

[65bug]

WOW! Those are really nice looking. And they look to be very high quality too. Thanks for the post.

[richie]

Saw them in the flesh today.

they are lighter than the mahles (i think by 80gms), will up some weights later this week for comparison.

From CSP

One piston including wrist pin is just 534 gram. This makes the CSP Products pistons 30 gram lighter than Mahle psitons.



A little different to your quote Lids

cheers richie

[Lids]

Saw them in the flesh today.

they are lighter than the mahles (i think by 80gms), will up some weights later this week for comparison.

From CSP

One piston including wrist pin is just 534 gram. This makes the CSP Products pistons 30 gram lighter than Mahle psitons.



A little different to your quote Lids

cheers richie

It does say I think

[richie]

Only teasing you,its like getting one over on the teacher,so much fun

cheers richie

[Lids]

As promised, weights, pistons with wrist pin, no rings.

AA's 579.60 gms

Mahle 524.90 gms

Icon 498.00 gms

[richie]

As promised, weights, pistons with wrist pin, no rings.

AA's 579.60 gms

Mahle 524.90 gms

Icon 498.00 gms

So not even 30grams less

and those AA's weigh less after you use them

[Lids]

UK prices:  No export to USA or Europe.  Please purchase from regional supplier.

Mahle 94mm strokers currently £339+vat but are these really a true forged piston
Icon kit will be priced at 475+ vat for the full kit

Icon are a high quality road race piston designed for mileage unlike total race pistons etc

[Rick Meredith]

Is anyone in the US carrying these? I'd hate to pay to have them shipped across the Atlantic twice.

try: http://www.europeanmotorworks.com/

I think its them.

hmmm... seems they only carry T4 parts

[deano]

We just did an article on using a .050+ To#¤ta piston, which measures 94mm... Dished dome. Interesting.

[Lids]

Is anyone in the US carrying these? I'd hate to pay to have them shipped across the Atlantic twice.

try: http://www.europeanmotorworks.com/

I think its them.

hmmm... seems they only carry T4 parts

Give them a ring

[andy198712]

As promised, weights, pistons with wrist pin, no rings.

AA's 579.60 gms

Mahle 524.90 gms

Icon 498.00 gms

So not even 30grams less

and those AA's weigh less after you use them

What are the AA sets like? shockingly gash or alright for a mild daily build?

[Lids]

The AA's seem to suffer from QC problems.  There are different runs, and hence good batches and also poor batches.  Their reputation was not helped when a guy in the states went directly to the factory and started selling the ones that failed AA's own QC.

If you search on here about them, you will see a lot of different experiences.  I know that the best ones came out of the factory with a blue paint dot on the inside.  These were used in very quick turbo cars with no problems. 

[andy198712]

The AA's seem to suffer from QC problems.  There are different runs, and hence good batches and also poor batches.  Their reputation was not helped when a guy in the states went directly to the factory and started selling the ones that failed AA's own QC.

If you search on here about them, you will see a lot of different experiences.  I know that the best ones came out of the factory with a blue paint dot on the inside.  These were used in very quick turbo cars with no problems. 

Cheers, i'll ask about said blue dont, stateside tuning have them on offer is why i ask.
Thank you

[richie]

  These were used in very quick turbo cars with no problems. 

Eh?    you sure about that?

[bugnut68]

The AA's seem to suffer from QC problems.  There are different runs, and hence good batches and also poor batches.  Their reputation was not helped when a guy in the states went directly to the factory and started selling the ones that failed AA's own QC.

If you search on here about them, you will see a lot of different experiences.  I know that the best ones came out of the factory with a blue paint dot on the inside.  These were used in very quick turbo cars with no problems.  

Any chance you could forward me his name?  PM would be fine.

[Lids]

  These were used in very quick turbo cars with no problems. 

Eh?    you sure about that?

Yes

They were also used in other quick turbo cars with problems.

You need the AA pistons with a graphite skirt

[Lids]

The AA's seem to suffer from QC problems.  There are different runs, and hence good batches and also poor batches.  Their reputation was not helped when a guy in the states went directly to the factory and started selling the ones that failed AA's own QC.

If you search on here about them, you will see a lot of different experiences.  I know that the best ones came out of the factory with a blue paint dot on the inside.  These were used in very quick turbo cars with no problems.  

Any chance you could forward me his name?  PM would be fine.

Don't have a name, sorry.  I think they went under the company name QCS.  or something like that.