European records, should we have some?

[johandryselius]

Hi everyone!
I think we all got stuck, but I think we all are aiming in the same way - we do it for fun, we want to have records so we have something to compare ourselves against, talk about and to strive towards. I think we have to trust in each other that we are following the rules "to the best of my understanding" and not by having "judges" to check everything and we all know by heart basically in what class our car belongs - we have to be able to "give and take" a bit. Anyway, I have tried to summarize my thoughts and have come up with 2 scenarios, one where we don't bother about engine sizes and one where we take that into account and in the end my thoughts on backing the record up.
 
Car types: VW type doorslammers/cabriolets and buggies – no dragsters allowed.
Body and mods: free
Engine: VW flatfour boxer pushrod type engine – WBX and water allowed.

Pancar:
Front end: free
Rear end: Original length springplates, original width of torsion housing, springtension must be obtained by torsion bars, changed to/from swing/IRS ok as long as ”original” is obtained, panforks including torsion housing must remain in origininal height horisontally relative the pan, raised gearbox/engine ok in conjunction with the above. Original shockabsorber mounting must be used, no coilovers or other spring types allowed.

Racecar:
Anything else

Outlaw class:
Any of the above with rotary engine, overhead camshaft engine etc – any power adder allowed.

Classes with no engine sizes:

Class 1: Pancar, NA
Class 2: Pancar, power adder
Class 3: Racecar, NA
Class 4: Racecar, power adder
Class 5: Outlaw

If we want to divide by engine size – 2 engine size classes:

Engine sizes:
 
NA class A: less or equal to 2584 cc (96,7 x 88)
NA class B: 2585 cc and above
Power adder class A: less or equal to 2000 cc
Power adder class B: 2001 cc and above

So classes would be (if engine sizes are used)

Class 1 A: Pancar, NA maximum 2584 cc
Class 1 B: Pancar, NA 2585 cc and above
Class 2 A: Pancar, Power adder maximum 2000 cc
Class 2 B: Pancar, Power adder 2001 cc and above
Class 3 A: Racecar, NA maximum 2584 cc
Class 3 B: Racecar, NA 2585 cc and above
Class 4 A: Racecar, Power adder maximum 2000 cc
Class 4 B: Racecar, Power adder 2001 cc and above
Class 5: Outlaw
 
Records must be backed up within 1% during the same event. If the difference is more than 1%, the slower time will be the record time. In case of 2 digits on the timeslip, the third digit will automatically be a ”9” i.e a 9,50 will be considered a 9,509


Johan

[Ragtop]

Nice work Johan!

[Andy Sykes]

Hi everyone!
I think we all got stuck, but I think we all are aiming in the same way - we do it for fun, we want to have records so we have something to compare ourselves against, talk about and to strive towards. I think we have to trust in each other that we are following the rules "to the best of my understanding" and not by having "judges" to check everything and we all know by heart basically in what class our car belongs - we have to be able to "give and take" a bit. Anyway, I have tried to summarize my thoughts and have come up with 2 scenarios, one where we don't bother about engine sizes and one where we take that into account and in the end my thoughts on backing the record up.
 
Car types: VW type doorslammers/cabriolets and buggies – no dragsters allowed.
Body and mods: free
Engine: VW flatfour boxer pushrod type engine – WBX and water allowed.

Pancar:
Front end: free
Rear end: Original length springplates, original width of torsion housing, springtension must be obtained by torsion bars, changed to/from swing/IRS ok as long as ”original” is obtained, panforks including torsion housing must remain in origininal height horisontally relative the pan, raised gearbox/engine ok in conjunction with the above. Original shockabsorber mounting must be used, no coilovers or other spring types allowed.

Racecar:
Anything else

Outlaw class:
Any of the above with rotary engine, overhead camshaft engine etc – any power adder allowed.

Classes with no engine sizes:

Class 1: Pancar, NA
Class 2: Pancar, power adder
Class 3: Racecar, NA
Class 4: Racecar, power adder
Class 5: Outlaw

If we want to divide by engine size – 2 engine size classes:

Engine sizes:
 
NA class A: less or equal to 2584 cc (96,7 x 88)
NA class B: 2585 cc and above
Power adder class A: less or equal to 2000 cc
Power adder class B: 2001 cc and above

So classes would be (if engine sizes are used)

Class 1 A: Pancar, NA maximum 2584 cc
Class 1 B: Pancar, NA 2585 cc and above
Class 2 A: Pancar, Power adder maximum 2000 cc
Class 2 B: Pancar, Power adder 2001 cc and above
Class 3 A: Racecar, NA maximum 2584 cc
Class 3 B: Racecar, NA 2585 cc and above
Class 4 A: Racecar, Power adder maximum 2000 cc
Class 4 B: Racecar, Power adder 2001 cc and above
Class 5: Outlaw
 
Records must be backed up within 1% during the same event. If the difference is more than 1%, the slower time will be the record time. In case of 2 digits on the timeslip, the third digit will automatically be a ”9” i.e a 9,50 will be considered a 9,509


Johan

That make sense to me 

[johandryselius]

Nice work Johan!

Thanks!
Any thoughts anyone!?
Johan

[Jesse Wens]

what is the reasening behind the 2484?, just asking

[johandryselius]

what is the reasening behind the 2484?, just asking

Jesse!
I was thinking that 96,7 is the biggest one can fit with the original cylinder head bolt pattern (used in PRA Super Street) and of course one can use more than 88mm in stroke, but just to put the limit somewhere! It's my thinking so I don't say it's "right" in anyway!

Johan

[johandryselius]

Hi all!
Maybe this has chilled down a bit - any thoughts on how and if we shall proceed!?

Johan