wheelies

[nicolas]

i couldn't help but notice on DDD that there are not too many cars anymore that do wheelies at the starting line... weird as the power of cars has greatly improved on cars over the years. so has everyone found the 'ideal sweetspot' that the car just accellerates forward and not upward? i can't really imagine that, but why no wheelies then?

[BeetleBug]

i couldn't help but notice on DDD that there are not too many cars anymore that do wheelies at the starting line... weird as the power of cars has greatly improved on cars over the years. so has everyone found the 'ideal sweetspot' that the car just accellerates forward and not upward? i can't really imagine that, but why no wheelies then?

Since you posted in the Pure Racing section I will give you a pure racing answer: Wheelies are show and no go. We have learned that if you want to go fast and at the same time save your drive train (and car) you need clutch control and improved weight distribution. But perhaps the answer to your question is traction?

-BB-

[Typ3racing]

At least a few cm Mini Wheelie
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[spanners]

i couldn't help but notice on DDD that there are not too many cars anymore that do wheelies at the starting line... weird as the power of cars has greatly improved on cars over the years. so has everyone found the 'ideal sweetspot' that the car just accellerates forward and not upward? i can't really imagine that, but why no wheelies then?

Since you posted in the Pure Racing section I will give you a pure racing answer: Wheelies are show and no go. We have learned that if you want to go fast and at the same time save your drive train (and car) you need clutch control and improved weight distribution. But perhaps the answer to your question is traction?

^^^^^^^^^ this^^^^^ Thank heavens for a straight answer, build a show car or build a fast car.
-BB-

[MeXX]

build a show car or build a fast car.

I think it is possible to have a combination of that  

MeXX

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[MeXX]

But perhaps the answer to your question is traction?

-BB-

Dear Kalle

I don't think so, as Gregor (PL) was able to run a 7,9 with his turboed Corvette

MeXX

[spanners]

build a show car or build a fast car.

I think it is possible to have a combination of that  

MeXX

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OH YES...

[dannyboy]

my car doesent wheelie and belive me ive tried everything to get a ego wall shot lol  but it does seem to do the trick so far 1.41 60ft and i believe with some more nitrous on the line it will go better ,it has no clutch control runs a stage 1 and black magic i just feather the throttle around 6-7k and drop the clutch and it hooks up squats like mad and off she goes 

[nicolas]

i did indeed put it in the pure racing section for a reason. traction isn't the issue as i have seen wheelies in the past at DDD. and the question also remains as for more then 4O years beetles have been pulling wheelies and now i can't see the wheels come of the ground one inch. and traction, clutch-management, and what not has been an issue for more then a few racers in the last few years and now everything is solved?

that said there is not too much debate about the fact that a good launch doesn't need a wheelie, but it sure is a nice bonus 

[JS]

my car doesent wheelie and belive me ive tried everything to get a ego wall shot lol  but it does seem to do the trick so far 1.41 60ft and i believe with some more nitrous on the line it will go better ,it has no clutch control runs a stage 1 and black magic i just feather the throttle around 6-7k and drop the clutch and it hooks up squats like mad and off she goes 

Fit super stiff rear shocks and take off the front ones, you´ll have your poster in no time. 

[cameron shorey]

Since you posted in the Pure Racing section I will give you a pure racing answer: Wheelies are show and no go. We have learned that if you want to go fast and at the same time save your drive train (and car) you need clutch control and improved weight distribution. But perhaps the answer to your question is traction?

-BB-

BB, I agree.
Wheelies look impressive. But any time spent going up, is time not spent going forward.

[dannyboy]

my car doesent wheelie and belive me ive tried everything to get a ego wall shot lol  but it does seem to do the trick so far 1.41 60ft and i believe with some more nitrous on the line it will go better ,it has no clutch control runs a stage 1 and black magic i just feather the throttle around 6-7k and drop the clutch and it hooks up squats like mad and off she goes 

Fit super stiff rear shocks and take off the front ones, you´ll have your poster in no time. 

lol im not bothered about the poster shot anymore  every tenth faster is closer to the single number et 

[steve_pugh]

How much power does one need to get a wheelie?   And what effect does it have to the front end when it comes down!?

[richie]

I think you are all deluded, wheelies are great


 They are so much fun and make for a quality picture[yes not so much for ET ]  The buzz from shifting into 2nd while the front wheels are still right up and carrying it out even further is up there with my 1st 9 and 1st 8, in fact its was proberly more fun as I knew what was happening at the time, with a real good pass you don't know till after as it almost feels boring

Nicolas, I can't comment on bitburg last weekend, but technology has moved on for sure and helped calm a lot of cars down to where they run quicker 60fts and 1/4 mile due to this

cheers Richie

[nicolas]

as for the improvement, yes it can be technological welfare, but still, it can't get the idea out of my head that cars don't leave that hard. 60ft's will back this up or not, but i was surprised to see so few. not everyone can find that sweetspot just in a few year like this.

anyway, next year, we all do wheelies. no-one cares for 11's, 10's, 9's and even 8's. it's wheelies we want to see.



just planting seeds here. 

[steve_pugh]

I think you are all deluded, wheelies are great
 

Where's the "Like" button.. 

[speedwell]

 

[deano_dinosaur]

build a show car or build a fast car.

I think it is possible to have a combination of that  

MeXX

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oh my gosh.
tell me about this ghia !!!

[Eddie DVK]

I think you are all deluded, wheelies are great
 

Where's the "Like" button.. 

hahaha isn t this everybodies dream here having a street (cal look) car that does a wheelie.
Well it s mine at least..
Haven t been on a strip with my car yet  . not the correct box yet.

regards edgar

[dragvw2180]

How much power does one need to get a wheelie?   And what effect does it have to the front end when it comes down!?

   IMHO It is not so much about power , our 1776 bug will pull wheelies , but about suspension.  Stiff rear suspension , slicks  and real soft front suspension will allow weight transfer enough that it will pull the front off the ground. My previous car was differant with the turbo engine as seen on this video when the wheely bar support  bolts broke,

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/FJZrEFElU24" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/FJZrEFElU24</a>
          It felt good so I shifted second gear like Richie said.  Mike McCarthy

[Turbo_Rich]

I'd love a cheeky wheelie in my car, but the way it was built and setup means that probably won't happen. 1.61 60ft on 205 street treads show its moving alright but the weight distribution and a calm launch means that that it just squats and goes.

Not quite as entertaining for the driver or crowds but it does the deed!

[Turbo_Rich]

I think you are all deluded, wheelies are great


 They are so much fun and make for a quality picture[yes not so much for ET ]  The buzz from shifting into 2nd while the front wheels are still right up and carrying it out even further is up there with my 1st 9 and 1st 8, in fact its was proberly more fun as I knew what was happening at the time, with a real good pass you don't know till after as it almost feels boring

cheers Richie

I think it was your car that scared me off wheelies 

[richie]

I'd love a cheeky wheelie in my car, but the way it was built and setup means that probably won't happen. 1.61 60ft on 205 street treads show its moving alright but the weight distribution and a calm launch means that that it just squats and goes.

Not quite as entertaining for the driver or crowds but it does the deed!

This is getting off the wheelie topic I know but it might be relevant so humour me

 
So here's a question, why is it that its ok for it to squat? In my mind that's what we don't want, if it is "squatting" what it is actually doing is pushing the wheel away from the track upwards and into the car so then the car moves down creating the image of "squatting"

If the tyre or track is not sticky enough surely it will just spin the tyre and the suspension will hardly move? when it does what you are describing and then blows the tyre off surely its not working to its best ability?

I am only using your car as an example Rich,your post just got me thinking [ I know never a good thing!!! ] most of our type cars do it, but is there something we can do to improve that scenario? wouldn't you like more traction?  your mph suggests you have a 11second car that would wheelie as well

If my ideas are even vaguely correct then the worse thing we can do to our cars is lower them at all at the back

cheers Richie

[nicolas]

I'd love a cheeky wheelie in my car, but the way it was built and setup means that probably won't happen. 1.61 60ft on 205 street treads show its moving alright but the weight distribution and a calm launch means that that it just squats and goes.

Not quite as entertaining for the driver or crowds but it does the deed!

This is getting off the wheelie topic I know but it might be relevant so humour me

 
So here's a question, why is it that its ok for it to squat? In my mind that's what we don't want, if it is "squatting" what it is actually doing is pushing the wheel away from the track upwards and into the car so then the car moves down creating the image of "squatting"


If my ideas are even vaguely correct then the worse thing we can do to our cars is lower them at all at the back

cheers Richie

i don't think the squatting you discribe is actually the wheel going up and because there is gravity the car in reality comes down, but more a loss of forward power that pulls the car to the ground. if it was gravity alone, it wouldn't happen as it is too slow/not powerfull enough to do this to the car. so it must be the acceleration that causes this. wheelhop is pushing the wheel away from the track. the car will not sqaut. the squatting is the car that is inert and wants to stay where it is and the wheels just pushing it forward, hence the downward movement of the car (that is the visible outing where the lost power goes into).

[richie]

Nicolas,

I cant see how any forces we apply to the tyre can pull the car down? the car is just there for the ride,

I have sent you a pm

cheers Richie

[Joel Mohr]

Come on guys, it's not that hard....

[Fiatdude]

Come on guys, it's not that hard....

I agree

[spanners]

Its the mechanics of the ring and pinion that rotates the car against the power applied to it, when i pre load my circuit car it pulls itself down to the crouch position ready for the off, no forward motion at all,  once launched and going sky wards, with a light enough front,  inertia keeps it going up , best explained thus, try the same thing in reverse and see what happens, i would guess a reduction box bus would lift at the rear to some extent with the ring gear on the other side of the pinion shaft. hope that helps anyway.

[Bernard Newbury]

Come on guys, it's not that hard....

I agree

[Jon]

i would guess a reduction box bus would lift at the rear to some extent with the ring gear on the other side of the pinion shaft. hope that helps anyway.

The reduction box busses do lift in the back when accelerating.