Old Skool 1679cc Cal Look Engines - What Spec's???

[richie]

Get the crank ground to chevy/buick journals on the big ends and run 5.325 rods,less weight and will like rpms more,yep knife edge the crank to alow it to cut through the oil and air easier,polish the inside of the case to help oil return to the sump easier and therefore less drag on crank etc,narrow the cam/crank gears if you use straight cuts=less friction.Loads more little tricks but all very time consuming,I think a hidden nitrous system would be the best route

cheers richie,uk   

[Martin Greaves]

Or stop pissing about and get a big motor.

[Lee.C]

Or stop pissing about and get a big motor.

yeah yeah I've been waitin for someone to say that  Thats just the easy way out dude - for me its all about proving a point 

Get the crank ground to chevy/buick journals on the big ends and run 5.325 rods,less weight and will like rpms more,yep knife edge the crank to alow it to cut through the oil and air easier,polish the inside of the case to help oil return to the sump easier and therefore less drag on crank etc,narrow the cam/crank gears if you use straight cuts=less friction.Loads more little tricks but all very time consuming,I think a hidden nitrous system would be the best route

cheers richie,uk   

Thanks for the tips dude - there are some really cool ideas there - just how narrow can you go with the cam/crank gear 

[richie]

Or stop pissing about and get a big motor.

yeah yeah I've been waitin for someone to say that  Thats just the easy way out dude - for me its all about proving a point 

Get the crank ground to chevy/buick journals on the big ends and run 5.325 rods,less weight and will like rpms more,yep knife edge the crank to alow it to cut through the oil and air easier,polish the inside of the case to help oil return to the sump easier and therefore less drag on crank etc,narrow the cam/crank gears if you use straight cuts=less friction.Loads more little tricks but all very time consuming,I think a hidden nitrous system would be the best route

cheers richie,uk   

Thanks for the tips dude - there are some really cool ideas there - just how narrow can you go with the cam/crank gear 

Till it breaks
 Depends on brand/quality,you need to have it mocked in the case to see,oh and with you planned combo and a fk87 you better have some good springs on it,it will want to rev to 9.5/10 not 7500,
cheers richie,uk

[Lee.C]

Or stop pissing about and get a big motor.

yeah yeah I've been waitin for someone to say that  Thats just the easy way out dude - for me its all about proving a point 

Get the crank ground to chevy/buick journals on the big ends and run 5.325 rods,less weight and will like rpms more,yep knife edge the crank to alow it to cut through the oil and air easier,polish the inside of the case to help oil return to the sump easier and therefore less drag on crank etc,narrow the cam/crank gears if you use straight cuts=less friction.Loads more little tricks but all very time consuming,I think a hidden nitrous system would be the best route

cheers richie,uk   

Thanks for the tips dude - there are some really cool ideas there - just how narrow can you go with the cam/crank gear 

Till it breaks
 Depends on brand/quality,you need to have it mocked in the case to see,oh and with you planned combo and a fk87 you better have some good springs on it,it will want to rev to 9.5/10 not 7500,
cheers richie,uk

Cool I will look into that when I come to build it up - Also 9.5/10 REALLY  Now that sound cool - what springs do you recomend then 

P.S sorry for all the question dude 

[Martin Greaves]

Or Lee save your money and get a big motor.

I will be texting this to you every day from now on.

[Diederick/DVK]

cool got a link to it dude 

mmh, only thing i can find so far is this thread:
http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,1646.0.html

but dude, where did the w110 go?

[Lee.C]

cool got a link to it dude 

mmh, only thing i can find so far is this thread:
http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,1646.0.html

but dude, where did the w110 go?

I've been chatting to KS "fastbrit" thats what  we want to see this little engine into the 13's 

[Diederick/DVK]

but that's what greg aronson pulled off with a w130 

[Lee.C]

but that's what greg aronson pulled off with a w130 

yeah but I hope to go lower than 14.1 with this little baby 

[Diederick/DVK]

fair enough 
i'm sure you will enlighten me next time i ring you (when i'm having a guinness)
 

[Sander/DVK]

What's your next motor Diederick? You allready have some plans?

Monkiboy, I like your 1679 thoughs

[Jesse/DVK]

What a great topic, i'm also planning to build me a 1679cc motor for my '64 bug. I just love high revvin' mouse motors.

[Lee.C]

What a great topic, i'm also planning to build me a 1679cc motor for my '64 bug. I just love high revvin' mouse motors.

yeah its got LOTS of cool info in this thread - we'll have to arrange a race when our motors are finished 

[Jesse/DVK]

yeah its got LOTS of cool info in this thread - we'll have to arrange a race when our motors are finished 

I would love to 

I'm not sure on the exhaust, I trendy fatboy exhaust or dual quiets for that old skool feel.

[Diederick/DVK]

cool jesse, we should exchange some ideas at KWF in january.
sander, my plans have not changed from the last time i posted them. and i'm still waiting to hear from abc tuning about my case...
for the rest i'm merely collecting parts 

[Bewitched666]

Maybe i'll join the 1679cc motor war too.
Will go back to my roots then,

Hey guys may i join to at KWF?? 

[Diederick/DVK]

no probs, we'll be there on saturday. hopefully having a 3 hour coffee break like last year 

stanford, are you going to build another 1679cc again?
or better still rebuild the one you once had?

[Jon]

With all this talk about high reving mouse motors, I feel the urge to have a go. If I stick with a 69 crank and 85.5 cyls, and some big (enugh) carbs, and get a good head job on some 42x32 044, and by good I'm thinking about something around 1500$. And by dooing all the homework, tuned exhaust for the combo, adjusted intake lenghts and such. The idea is to use the money where everyone say it counts and see where it takes me. And If I at the same time could give a nod to the early boys in style thought... what could be better? any thoughts?

[Martin Greaves]

Day one of texting

[Lee.C]

Day one of texting

Yeah yeah I got it - next you'll be telling me to put a hair dryer on it 

[Martin Greaves]

You have a text and yes it say put a hair dryer on it.

[Zach Gomulka]

88x69 This one Ive had some thought on, and of course Ive already started collecting parts for it (even if there is no car to put it in yet)

110 cam, 1.25 rockers
8.5:1
40x35.5 ported heads
IDA's on Deano manifolds
Vintage Berg sump, linkage, and power pulley
010 distributor (211 part number)
Deano valve covers
36hp shroud, Porsche 356/912 cooler
1 1/2" merge, single QP
4.37 r+p, 3.78, 2.21, 1.43, 1.04, 26" tires.

My '67 did a 14.8 with a similar 1600... I think I could get a high 13 out of this combo.

[folkevogn]

With all this talk about high reving mouse motors, I feel the urge to have a go. If I stick with a 69 crank and 85.5 cyls, and some big (enugh) carbs, and get a good head job on some 42x32 044, and by good I'm thinking about something around 1500$. And by dooing all the homework, tuned exhaust for the combo, adjusted intake lenghts and such. The idea is to use the money where everyone say it counts and see where it takes me. And If I at the same time could give a nod to the early boys in style thought... what could be better? any thoughts?

This is a really good idè JHU, I think your on the right track here. Would be funny to see if the stock crank and rods can take the abuse and rather use more money on the heads, manifolds and carbs.
What about crankcase ventilation, there could be some extra power there aswell. every little thing helps ;-) and I think you should keep it as streeable as possible

[Jon]

You think it can be done with stock parts? I´ve heard that the rods can be used... but I´m not to sure about the original bolts...
I´m looking to get what I can out of this one, so it got to have CR and revs... but streetable.... I sure hope so!   

[folkevogn]

You think it can be done with stock parts? I´ve heard that the rods can be used... but I´m not to sure about the original bolts...
I´m looking to get what I can out of this one, so it got to have CR and revs... but streetable.... I sure hope so!   

I`m dont think they would handle it if you abuse it as a daily driver, (but weekend abuse would probably work just fine  ) I think your right about the rodbolts, I`m not an expert but there most be some of the old "guru`s" here on the Lounge that had to struggle with this back in the days and probably can give you a good answer..
would be funny to see the price tag on this project at the end.

[Lee.C]

yeah I've been think about costs and mine will probably end up costing ALMOST as much as a "BIG" motor but as I have said before its all about proving a point with me 

As far as bolts go I have been told by One of the Old Guru's to use "arpm bolts" expensive but Well Worth it 

I have also been thinking about Valve size - I have been leaing more toward 42x37 because it would mean less port work - of course they will be in stock welded heads 

Of course you could go with 40x35.5 or 40x37.5

Any thoughts guys

[Bewitched666]

Diederick i'll join you guys then at the coffee break if its ok.

Gonna build another one D,the old one i sold to an old friend.
 

[nicolas]

i want one too. just took apart the 1641 and now i allready want it back.

i do have the the crank, W110, exhaust, and the heads, but they need a lot of reworking as it blew one of the plugs. and it seems they were leaking CR. not sure if it were the cylinders (87mm non machined) or the heads itself. i also have the 1.25 rockers. all i need is a case and money to finish it... plus cooler. what do you guys run for cooler? stock and an external oilfilter? and maybe the 40 dells i want to sell, can make some good use.
anybody wants to share a project? 

[BeetleBug]

With all this talk about high reving mouse motors, I feel the urge to have a go. If I stick with a 69 crank and 85.5 cyls, and some big (enugh) carbs, and get a good head job on some 42x32 044, and by good I'm thinking about something around 1500$. And by dooing all the homework, tuned exhaust for the combo, adjusted intake lenghts and such. The idea is to use the money where everyone say it counts and see where it takes me. And If I at the same time could give a nod to the early boys in style thought... what could be better? any thoughts?

Interesting! You`re saying that you wish to build a high reving mouse engine on a tight budget and with a original crank and rods? With enough punch to impress the boys in the hood? Are we talking race engine, no cooling, extreme CR?

How much power is possible in small engine like the one you`re thinking about and still have a driveable package? I have heard someone mention that the limit for a streetable 1600ccm engine would be around 125hp. I say if you reach 125hp with belt on and muffler you have a done a VERY good job. Agree?

Best rgs
Kalle