Old Skool 1679cc Cal Look Engines - What Spec's???

[Diederick/DVK]

that's the one unknown fact zach.
and lee buddy, to fully judge that properly i'm guessing you need one race on the strip for that and one to the supermarket in chimay to get some duvels 

[Zach Gomulka]

Well JMR is on here now, I bet he knows
Im gonna say its 10+:1

[ESH]

...I am sure that I can get it "Fairly" streetable...

Good luck with it and I'm sure you can get it to 13's with the right investment in terms of time and money but my bet is it will be pretty "tragic" on the street. I say tragic as that was how a properly quick street 1776 was described to me (with a grin) by its owner. The balance between mileage on the street and times on the strip can be tricky depending on what you're looking for even with a considerably bigger motor.

 

[Tim C]

yup, very much so.
it's in this ultra cool 67




but i'm guessing monkiboy wants to go even further than just that  

Andy (who now owns the car) has run it several times at both York and the Pod with times in the low 15's. On the way to Euro Bug In it cruised happily at 60mph with the rest of us. It is a lairy little engine and great fun by the looks of it, but personally I would be happier with a larger CC motor as John pointed out on the other thread (gearbox).

[Lee.C]

...I am sure that I can get it "Fairly" streetable...

Good luck with it and I'm sure you can get it to 13's with the right investment in terms of time and money but my bet is it will be pretty "tragic" on the street. I say tragic as that was how a properly quick street 1776 was described to me (with a grin) by its owner. The balance between mileage on the street and times on the strip can be tricky depending on what you're looking for even with a considerably bigger motor.

 

Very good points very well put  The only "Tragic" thing I can think of about thses egines  is that tragic feeling felt by people when you beat them 

And I am sure its always a balance between streetabilty and strip times no mater what the cc - but like I say its all about proving a point, I just want to run 13's and beat some Rice Rockets round the local ring road 

[nicolas]

yes prove your point!!! like i said earlier, i have some parts to make an engine, but not enough and i am builing the 2l engine, and afterwards i will get back to the 84x94 engine... if that ever happens. but if someone wants parts to buld the engine maybe we can work something out and have that mouse motor battle at EBI2...

[Bewitched666]

I ran the w120 and w130 in my 1679cc engine with no problems at all.
Pulled great from low to high rpms

Am looking forward to join this mouse motor war,still buddy's with everyone Jim

[Lee.C]

Hey give me a chance guys - I don't think I'll be ready for EBI2 Maybe EBI3 well thats my plan anyhow and I will debut it at volksworld 2009 - God I better start saving

[Jesse/DVK]

Well I've talked a lot with Bewitched, and I hope to get my 1679 ready for DDD6. But I'm a student so saving money is hard. I'm looking forward to beat the other 1679 engines 

[Bewitched666]

If you need help Jesse you know where to find me ok

[Jesse/DVK]

Thanks Stanford, I always could use some help. Now I'm thinking about the exhaust. What kind of exhaust has a good performance and doesn't cost to much

[Bewitched666]

Open stinger,lol

Nah turbo muff or the A1 types.
Streetsport from Ahrdennedorp(dont know if you write it like this)
or check some on CSP

[Sander/DVK]

If you have a Old Skool engine, you need a Old Skool mufler 
Something like an old Glass Pack, or a single or dual quiet pack.

[Roman]

I think most of you are very conservative regarding a 69 x 85.5 engine.
In the Nordic Beetle cup racing they are putting out 150-160 hp on a 1600 with unwelded heads, pump gas, max carb diameter 45 mm and a 6600 rpm rev limiter.
These engines are made to run on track racing, not quarter mile and they normally don't need much service between the races.
JHU: I bet you a beer that it will make more than 150 hp!

[BeetleBug]

I think most of you are very conservative regarding a 69 x 85.5 engine.
In the Nordic Beetle cup racing they are putting out 150-160 hp on a 1600 with unwelded heads, pump gas, max carb diameter 45 mm and a 6600 rpm rev limiter.
These engines are made to run on track racing, not quarter mile and they normally don't need much service between the races.
JHU: I bet you a beer that it will make more than 150 hp!

Now you let the cat out of the bag  

[Roman]

Open stinger,lol

Nah turbo muff or the A1 types.
Streetsport from Ahrdennedorp(dont know if you write it like this)
or check some on CSP

I would make a custom header, the off-the-shelf exhausts has too long primary tubes in most cases. The weird thing is that all exhaust manufacturers for VW's tell the diameter, but never the lentgh and the length is a very good tuning tool!

[Roman]

I think most of you are very conservative regarding a 69 x 85.5 engine.
In the Nordic Beetle cup racing they are putting out 150-160 hp on a 1600 with unwelded heads, pump gas, max carb diameter 45 mm and a 6600 rpm rev limiter.
These engines are made to run on track racing, not quarter mile and they normally don't need much service between the races.
JHU: I bet you a beer that it will make more than 150 hp!

Now you let the cat out of the bag  

What cat? 

[Lee.C]

WOW I really have started something here with 108 replies and over 1600 views 

I am really glad that all you guys feel the same as me about these littlle mouse motors  we know they can do it 

I just feel that WAY too much money is POURED into these huge stroker motor for dare I say it  "Fashion" and more often than not they run about the same times that I am hoping to run.

by the way this is just my 2 cents

I can't wait to see some of your "1700's" and race you of course 

As I have said I hope to be ready for EBI3

god I better start saving 

[Bewitched666]

Got a point there Sander

But maybe old skool engine with new tech stuff of today,lol

[Zach Gomulka]

I just feel that WAY too much money is POURED into these huge stroker motor for dare I say it  "Fashion" and more often than not they run about the same times that I am hoping to run.

Its not all about the ET Monki!!! Those big motors are much more driveable, and they last longer than the little motor!!

[lawrence]

Yes, monkiboy, your thread sure has got everyone paying attention.  In the "small powerhouses and old school" thread Mr. Jim Ratto wrote that someone needs to build a flashbulb motor and after I read that I made a call to a friend who had a SP 1641 that I traded. He does not have it any more.
So, I hopped on a local classified website and found a few very cheap deals that would make great timebomb motors.

Here is my idea: Pull a worthy candidate apart, address any problems, replace bearings etc., new seals everywhere, high compression, nice cam, some blueprinting, and backyard head porting. I will try to use mostly nice condition, used parts. This is awesome fun and great practice in assembling a motor.

I did not buy anything yet, but I plan on building a fast motor with very little money. Then drive it until it blows up.

[Rune]

You have really startet something here monkey   The "mouse motor era" on the lounge.. It has really brought some very very interesting stuff out on the table...
I am really looking forward to seeing that cat Beetlebug :-)

[Jim Ratto]

rabid mice invade the Lounge...

 

[Bewitched666]

Damn Jim,call the exterminator

[Lee.C]

Ahh stop being so mean 

BUT if you remember the old cartoons Jerry mouse ALWAYS beat Tom the cat

[Bewitched666]

Yeps thats tru Monkiboy.

But i'll join and build me a mouse engine too

[Fasterbrit]

A few years ago John Maher Racing built an 'old school' 1679 with IDAs and 010 distributor for Nigel Fleet. There's a pic of the motor on page 35 of JMR's tech book. The motor made 130 horsepower on a Stuska dyno. I am not sure of the cam combo etc.

It might be worth giving John a call to see what parts he used. Matt

[Rune]

A few years ago John Maher Racing built an 'old school' 1679 with IDAs and 010 distributor for Nigel Fleet. There's a pic of the motor on page 35 of JMR's tech book. The motor made 130 horsepower on a Stuska dyno. I am not sure of the cam combo etc.

It might be worth giving John a call to see what parts he used. Matt

It is in april 99 issue of Total VW.
69 counterweighted crank, 200mm 12lb 8 doweled flywheel
88mm mahle syls and pistons
044 heads 40x35,5. 1,4:1 autocraft rockers, Berg 3/8" chromoly pushrods, Scat light weight lifters, FK8 cam, 1,5qt Scat sump, 26mm Berg pump and HP1 filter.
Blue Bosch coil and 010 dizzy. 48 IDAs on Scat Trak manifolds and Berg linkage. 1 5/8" Pheonix header.
Does not say anything about the CR..

Is this car still around?

[Diederick/DVK]

Yes, you are both talking about the car i posted 2 pages back.
And according to Tim C's post it is now owned by a guy named Andy

[Rune]

Don't think it is the same car. The one we talk about is a green 64.