Weight of the wheels we use

[Eddie DVK]

Hi,

Is there a list of the weight of the wheels we use.
I know there is a list of genuine Porsche wheels somewhere on the net.
But how about the aftermarket wheel, steel rims and the rest..

Kind of interesting to know what the lightest wheel is.

[richie]

My guesstimate

Erco race weight or DDS[ real close], Erco street weight,real BRM[I think 7lbs], Real Gas burner[I think 9.5 lbs] Real fuch [ 20 something lbs ? ]

Maybe someone can add centerlines, bogarts, etc. Don't bother about the fakes or replicas though, they are just to heavy Steels are just as bad

cheers Richie

[neil68]

My CMS street weight 6" rear wheels weigh 4 kg and my Bogart 3.5" fronts are 3.6 kg.

[Turbo_Rich]

I would love to know what the weight of my replica Gas Burners are. They seem really heavy in comparison to my 16" genuine Fuchs. I really want to use the Fuchs but the 16" changes the tyre side wall options meaning there may not be as much give. However the weight saving may help gain that critical tenth or two!

[modnrod]

John Connolly has been kind enough to list some weights for us. 

http://vwparts.aircooled.net/VW-Wheels-s/117.htm?searching=Y&sort=1&cat=117&show=50&page=1

There are a couple I've weighed, Pg.23 of "weight-saving" thread.

[Fonz]

Real fuch [ 20 something lbs ? ]

You'd be surprised.

Here are some weights of various width original 15" Fuchs that someone took....

4.5 - 10 lbs. 12.8 oz. (no date) without valve stem, orig. anodized, clean backside
4.5 - 10 lbs. 13.4 oz. (no date) without valve stem, orig. anodized, clean backside

5.5 - 11 lbs. 10.0 oz. (Apr '68) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside
5.5 - 11 lbs. 12.4 oz. (Apr '68) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside

6.0 - 12 lbs. 7.6 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside, with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 6.0 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside, with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 4.4 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 2.4 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside with flare

7R - 12 lbs. 12.7 oz. (June '69) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside
7R - 12 lbs. 6.5 oz. (June '70) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside

[Mike Maize]

I know years ago when I got my 4.5's the box was so small and light I thought they only sent one wheel!

[richie]

Real fuch [ 20 something lbs ? ]

You'd be surprised.

Here are some weights of various width original 15" Fuchs that someone took....

4.5 - 10 lbs. 12.8 oz. (no date) without valve stem, orig. anodized, clean backside
4.5 - 10 lbs. 13.4 oz. (no date) without valve stem, orig. anodized, clean backside

5.5 - 11 lbs. 10.0 oz. (Apr '68) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside
5.5 - 11 lbs. 12.4 oz. (Apr '68) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside

6.0 - 12 lbs. 7.6 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside, with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 6.0 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside, with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 4.4 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 2.4 oz. (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside with flare

7R - 12 lbs. 12.7 oz. (June '69) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside
7R - 12 lbs. 6.5 oz. (June '70) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside

You made me wonder so I did some weighing just now with what I have here

Late 6x15 12 1/4 lbs
5.5x 14  11lbs
and a real gasburner 10lbs not a huge gain

cheers Richie

[Zach Gomulka]

Late 6x15 12 1/4 lbs
5.5x 14  11lbs

Good to know, got some of those in my shed. Thanks for the info.

[Phil West]

Hi,

Is there a list of the weight of the wheels we use.
I know there is a list of genuine Porsche wheels somewhere on the net.
But how about the aftermarket wheel, steel rims and the rest..

Kind of interesting to know what the lightest wheel is.

My race weight ercos weigh in at:

3.5"    2,390gm or 5.3lbs
6"       2,589gm or 5.7lb

Cheers
Phil

[Erlend / bug66]

Hi,

Is there a list of the weight of the wheels we use.
I know there is a list of genuine Porsche wheels somewhere on the net.
But how about the aftermarket wheel, steel rims and the rest..

Kind of interesting to know what the lightest wheel is.

My race weight ercos weigh in at:

3.5"    2,390gm or 5.3lbs
6"       2,589gm or 5.7lb

Cheers
Phil

Do you have more spec on these? ET? 5x205 or 4/5x130? (big or small hole in the middle )

[Phil West]

Hi,

Is there a list of the weight of the wheels we use.
I know there is a list of genuine Porsche wheels somewhere on the net.
But how about the aftermarket wheel, steel rims and the rest..

Kind of interesting to know what the lightest wheel is.

My race weight ercos weigh in at:

3.5"    2,390gm or 5.3lbs
6"       2,589gm or 5.7lb

Cheers
Phil

Do you have more spec on these? ET? 5x205 or 4/5x130? (big or small hole in the middle )

Wide 5.  Not sure what you mean by ET on a wheel?

[Erlend / bug66]

Offset. I guess the wide 5 is a little lighter than 4x130 or 5x130.

Did you custom order?

[Phil West]

Offset. I guess the wide 5 is a little lighter than 4x130 or 5x130.

Did you custom order?

No they were standard size, had them a while, they are the full inset 3.5" and standard 6" which from memory was 2"/4"

[Iryanu]

Porsche 911 Fuchs    Forged    16x6           17lbs   7.71kg
Porsche 911 Fuchs    Forged    16x7           18lbs   8.16kg
Porsche 911 Fuchs    Forged    16x8           19lbs   8.61kg
Porsche 911 Fuchs    Forged    16x9           20lbs   9.07kg
Porsche 914 Mahle    Forged Mg    15x5.5   10lbs   4.53kg

Centerline Auto-drag (4x130)        15x3.5   11lbs   4.98kg


I have a spreadsheet with over 4400 wheels with their weights if anyone want's it. Not much old stuff in there though. Only ones of interest are above. Few Welds, few centerlines, lots of bbs and a heap of tuner stuff.

[richie]

Porsche 914 Mahle    Forged Mg    15x5.5   10lbs   4.53kg


I have a spreadsheet with over 4400 wheels with their weights if anyone want's it. Not much old stuff in there though. Only ones of interest are above. Few Welds, few centerlines, lots of bbs and a heap of tuner stuff.

Is that the 4 lug 914 wheel or the 5 lug 914/6 "gas burner" as that is pretty light if its the 4 lug

cheers Richie

[volkskris]

Real fuch [ 20 something lbs ? ]

You'd be surprised.

Here are some weights of various width original 15" Fuchs that someone took....

4.5 - 10 lbs. 12.8 oz. 4.90kg (no date) without valve stem, orig. anodized, clean backside
4.5 - 10 lbs. 13.4 oz. 4.92kg (no date) without valve stem, orig. anodized, clean backside

5.5 - 11 lbs. 10.0 oz. 5.27kg (Apr '68) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside
5.5 - 11 lbs. 12.4 oz. 5.34kg (Apr '68) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside

6.0 - 12 lbs. 7.6 oz. 5.66kg (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside, with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 6.0 oz. 5.61kg (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside, with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 4.4 oz. 5.57kg (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside with flare
6.0 - 12 lbs. 2.4 oz. 5.51kg (Jan '70) with valve stem, orig. anodized, dirty backside with flare

7R - 12 lbs. 12.7 oz. 5.80kg (June '69) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside
7R - 12 lbs. 6.5 oz. 5.63kg (June '70) with valve stem, polished & painted, dirty backside

For people who use a normal system 

[Iryanu]

Is that the 4 lug 914 wheel or the 5 lug 914/6 "gas burner" as that is pretty light if its the 4 lug

cheers Richie

Full description in the sheet was as follows:

Porsche 914 6-cylinder 5-bolt Mahle (rare)

[richie]

Is that the 4 lug 914 wheel or the 5 lug 914/6 "gas burner" as that is pretty light if its the 4 lug

cheers Richie

Full description in the sheet was as follows:

Porsche 914 6-cylinder 5-bolt Mahle (rare)

Thankyou , that makes sense as my wheels weighed about that

cheers Richie

[nicolas]

Porsche 914 Mahle    Forged Mg    15x5.5   10lbs   4.53kg


I have a spreadsheet with over 4400 wheels with their weights if anyone want's it. Not much old stuff in there though. Only ones of interest are above. Few Welds, few centerlines, lots of bbs and a heap of tuner stuff.

Is that the 4 lug 914 wheel or the 5 lug 914/6 "gas burner" as that is pretty light if its the 4 lug

cheers Richie

the 4 lug is much heavier. i held them in hand yesterday, need to weigh them.

[Iryanu]

Found another in my sheet doesn't say to which version of the EMPI 5 but I'm assuming a reproduction not one of those fancy 2 piecers.

EMPI 5-spoke    Cast    15x5.5   20lbs    9.07kg

[Turbo_Rich]

Wow looking at the details here for the 16" Porsche Fuchs (17lbs-7.71kg & 18lbs 8.16kg) and guessing my gas burner reps are about 22lbs (9.97kg) each means that thats a 5lbs or 2.26 kg saving on each front and 4lbs or 1.81kg each at the back.

So 19.92 lbs or 9.04 kg saving overall although I guess the extra weight of the tyres may negate that saving down?

[modnrod]

Tyres can be the same weight saving too.

2 tyres the same size can be different by as much as 10%-15% each, eg. 195/75R14, Hankook's are 1.3kg lighter than Bridgestone's.

BIG difference in unsprung weight.

[richie]

Tyres can be the same weight saving too.

2 tyres the same size can be different by as much as 10%-15% each, eg. 195/75R14, Hankook's are 1.3kg lighter than Bridgestone's.

BIG difference in unsprung weight.

Agreed, the tall profile we like for that traditional Cal looker makes it even worse, I have weighed several brands of front runners for our race cars to get the lightest in the size we need

cheers Richie

[dannyboy]

Tyres can be the same weight saving too.

2 tyres the same size can be different by as much as 10%-15% each, eg. 195/75R14, Hankook's are 1.3kg lighter than Bridgestone's.

BIG difference in unsprung weight.

Agreed, the tall profile we like for that traditional Cal looker makes it even worse, I have weighed several brands of front runners for our race cars to get the lightest in the size we need
i couldnt believe how much more a phoenix slick weighed than mh slick ......but phoenix slicks look cooler  ... i went for the lighter ones 

cheers Richie

[Turbo_Rich]

Finally got round to weighing my wheels,
the Porsche Fuchs 16" x 7 with 205/50/16 , 16" x 6 with 205/45/16 both come out at 15kg/33lbs each with the tyres.
The Gas burner reps 15" x 5.5 with 205/65/15 rear comes in at just under 17kg/37.47lbs
the front with 185/60/15 come in at 16.5kg/36.37

1 205/60/15 tyre came in at 8.5kg/18.73lbs

So if I switched to my Fuchs I would save about 4kg/8.81lbs at the rear, 3kg/6.61lbs front total of 7kg/15.43lbs. Probably not a big enough gain to justify the expense, hassle and change in tyre profile?

[xbacax]

Could someone please tell me, how much those Centerlines replicas weight ??

 http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/b852a6020a18c055.html

[ALB]

Wow looking at the details here for the 16" Porsche Fuchs (17lbs-7.71kg & 18lbs 8.16kg) and guessing my gas burner reps are about 22lbs (9.97kg) each means that thats a 5lbs or 2.26 kg saving on each front and 4lbs or 1.81kg each at the back.

So 19.92 lbs or 9.04 kg saving overall although I guess the extra weight of the tyres may negate that saving down?

I know those weights for the 16 x 6's, 7's and 8's are on the Porsche Wheel weights page as 17, 18 and 19 lbs, but a friend on SOC weighed some 16 x 6's and 7's he had and they were only a pound and an ounce or 2 more than the same width 15" Fuchs.  I'm not arguing with or doubting you; only telling you what someone told me. The 15 x 6 and 15 x 7 Fuchs I have weigh in at 12 and almost 13 lbs. Al

[Rick Meredith]

Could someone please tell me, how much those Centerlines replicas weight ??

 http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/b852a6020a18c055.html

If those are the ones I think they are, they are cast aluminum and not light like Centerlines are.

[xbacax]

Could someone please tell me, how much those Centerlines replicas weight ??

 http://www.fotosik.pl/pokaz_obrazek/b852a6020a18c055.html

If those are the ones I think they are, they are cast aluminum and not light like Centerlines are.

well those are replicas, and I know that they're not the same weight as originals, probably not even close, but I'd still like to know how much do they weight I kinda like those wheels