1835 retro-power

[Jim Ratto]

Everybody's talking about retro and building a 1700 "88mm" motor. Yeah, the 88 x 69 motor seems to get all the ink nowadays, when it comes to 70's motors. But what about the 1835 combo? Weren't there some badboys running around running Deano 92's? An old, ex-corworker has a NOS set of Deano 92's he keeps threatening to give me in some old beat up DDS box.

How popular was the 1835, really, in the 70's?

I kind of want to build a sweep the floor 70's-era 1835cc, and join in on the "retro" thing. I was thinking 1835 built with fuel injection case, usual 69mm cw, stock rods, 42 x 37 heads brought back from the grave with about 30cc chambers, 48 Webers on short stubby manifold, old junk Bosch point distributor, Engle 130 or 140, ratty merged exhaust, power crank pulley....etc.

What do you think? There's a proud looking stocker 1969 Bug here at work parking lot, beige with 8-spokes. Maybe I could make an offer and make a handbasket of hell time bomb.....

[peeps]

Everybody's talking about retro and building a 1700 "88mm" motor. Yeah, the 88 x 69 motor seems to get all the ink nowadays, when it comes to 70's motors. But what about the 1835 combo? Weren't there some badboys running around running Deano 92's? An old, ex-corworker has a NOS set of Deano 92's he keeps threatening to give me in some old beat up DDS box.

How popular was the 1835, really, in the 70's?

I kind of want to build a sweep the floor 70's-era 1835cc, and join in on the "retro" thing. I was thinking 1835 built with fuel injection case, usual 69mm cw, stock rods, 42 x 37 heads brought back from the grave with about 30cc chambers, 48 Webers on short stubby manifold, old junk Bosch point distributor, Engle 130 or 140, ratty merged exhaust, power crank pulley....etc.

What do you think? There's a proud looking stocker 1969 Bug here at work parking lot, beige with 8-spokes. Maybe I could make an offer and make a handbasket of hell time bomb.....

is that u jim ratto it's been a long time i remember u from buggy house

[John Rayburn]

Jim, I if you like cracked and out of round cylinders, you'll love that combo

[John Rayburn]

I give that engine about 1 week of peak power... 20hp less starting week 2. Hey , we could start a pool.

[John Rayburn]

Dave's a good sport, I'm sure if we pick up the black oily pieces he'd be fine with it.. Maybe we can do the slick 50 challenge and drain the oil out of it!

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

You could Do like use to do at Small Car Specialities Showdown and have an Engine Blow Contest first up is the 1835 then let see Jims Motor up there?   lets see how long it can hang together lol  Might even get Cedor to go for it

[donnyb]

  Throw an FK89 with 1.4 rockers and dual springs with tall manifolds with the stuff you mentioned,  right gearing it will run mid 12's all day long.

[Cheesepanzer]

Growing up in SOCAL there was a period of time when just about all you could find on the street were 1835's.  In the late 70's/early 80's a great combo was an 1835 with Lonnie Reed Wedgeport heads, a FK87, 10 to 1, 48 IDA's and 1 5/8" exhaust.  With a 1.48/1.14 gearbox, in most street cars that was a solid 12.70-12.90 time slip.   

[javabug]

What's the story with the new thick-wall 92s?  I'd consider rolling with them to keep my 1835cc because it is not a popular combo lately.

Altho dropping the $$$ for IDAs on a spare motor???  

[Zach Gomulka]

Ive got a 1835 in the works... NPR's, 041's (39x35.5), DMS crank, aluminium flywheel, Kadrons (will be bored out), and a grip of old Treuhaft parts- intake manifolds, valve covers, deep sump, distributor, pulley, and dry sump oil pump. Engle 120 w/1.25 rockers, 9:1, 1 1/2" Fourtuned header. Im gunning for high 12's in my light '67.
I dont think there is anything wrong with 92's. Sure, other cylinders offer more insurance with their thicker cylinder walls, but keep it cool and it will last just as long as any other properly built motor.

[louisb]

Everybody's talking about retro and building a 1700 "88mm" motor. Yeah, the 88 x 69 motor seems to get all the ink nowadays, when it comes to 70's motors. But what about the 1835 combo? Weren't there some badboys running around running Deano 92's? An old, ex-corworker has a NOS set of Deano 92's he keeps threatening to give me in some old beat up DDS box.

How popular was the 1835, really, in the 70's?

I kind of want to build a sweep the floor 70's-era 1835cc, and join in on the "retro" thing. I was thinking 1835 built with fuel injection case, usual 69mm cw, stock rods, 42 x 37 heads brought back from the grave with about 30cc chambers, 48 Webers on short stubby manifold, old junk Bosch point distributor, Engle 130 or 140, ratty merged exhaust, power crank pulley....etc.

What do you think? There's a proud looking stocker 1969 Bug here at work parking lot, beige with 8-spokes. Maybe I could make an offer and make a handbasket of hell time bomb.....

Sounds like it would be a cool engine if it held together. Maybe gut the '69 to lose weight but keep it stock looking on the outside. High comp mouse motor with IDAs & a  short geared tranny. Sort of a sleeper combo that you wouldn't worry about blowing up.  See if you could get it into the elevens all motor.

--louis

[deano]

Hey , we could start a pool.

I think with used 92s, he will! Oil that is.... Texas crude, black gold....

[John Rayburn]

I'm with Dean, an oil decorated engine compartment, uneven compression, and cracks galore, no matter how cool you keep NPR 92's, they will crack.

[Lee.C]

Hopefully KS will drop in on this one and let you guys know what he thinks of 92's (1835cc)

From what I remember he has used this combo in many different cars and vans with NO PROBLEMS - I'd listen to KS 

Just my 2 cents guys 

[John Rayburn]

I'd love to hear how Keith got NPR 92's to live . No one hear in the states ever got them to live.

[Cheesepanzer]

Growing up in SOCAL there was a period of time when just about all you could find on the street were 1835's.  In the late 70's/early 80's a great combo was an 1835 with Lonnie Reed Wedgeport heads, a FK87, 10 to 1, 48 IDA's and 1 5/8" exhaust.  With a 1.48/1.14 gearbox, in most street cars that was a solid 12.70-12.90 time slip.   

I would be really curious to see how something like this would run. I'm assuming 6,000 and up it was unreal.

Typically those engines had to be wound up pretty good to run well.  I knew quite a few guys that ran this combo (or an FK89) and they ran really well.  When they hit the power band (4500-5500) they screamed to the moon!

Another popular combo was to simply stuff a 74mm Mance crank in there and have a 1968cc engine.
 

[Sarge]

I had an 1835 in my '63 back in the old days...Engle 125 (retarded 4 degrees), .0120" out of the Ron Fleming ported and polished 40X35.5 heads, IDA's and a 4:37 box with close ratio gears.  I raced the snot out of this car for a good year...ran 13.30's at 95-97 mph on radials.  The thing pulled like a bear in third gear...probably a result of the retarded cam timing.   NPR's were cast pistons and the ring lans went away quick with lots of compression...a common occurance.

[Diederick/DVK]

sarge, i don't get it... i thought advances the cam results in more bottom end power.

plus, you ran it with a stock crank, right? 

[Lee.C]

I had an 1835 in my '63 back in the old days...Engle 125 (retarded 4 degrees), .0120" out of the Ron Fleming ported and polished 40X35.5 heads, IDA's and a 4:37 box with close ratio gears.  I raced the snot out of this car for a good year...ran 13.30's at 95-97 mph on radials.  The thing pulled like a bear in third gear...probably a result of the retarded cam timing.   NPR's were cast pistons and the ring lans went away quick with lots of compression...a common occurance.

See I told you they were good - old skool set ups ROCK 

[John Rayburn]

Note Sarge saying the ring lans went away real quick....

[Neil Davies]

Lee, I think KS used Mahle 92's, not NPR ones.

[Lee.C]

Lee, I think KS used Mahle 92's, not NPR ones.

oops my mistake 

[Neil Davies]

Lee, I think KS used Mahle 92's, not NPR ones.

oops my mistake 

No worries! Funnily enough, I was talking to my Dad last night and he was telling me about the son of a guy he knows who had an 1835 in his beetle which expired earlier this week! Guess what - cylinder split...

[Fastbrit]

Er, I was gonna reply but you guys did it all for me! 

Yeah, Cima/Mahle 92s + low CR in a Type 2 as a tow vehicle was no problem. Always ran cooler than a cucumber.

Likewise for a season or two with turbo and 25+psi boost = only one cracked cylinder ever.

So much cr*p was put about by certain 'leaders in the industry' at the time. Remember, this was someone who also said that turbocharged VWs don't work...

[alex d]

So much cr*p was put about by certain 'leaders in the industry' at the time. Remember, this was someone who also said that turbocharged VWs don't work...

everyone knows turbo vw's are slow and 94mm cylinders make your engine explode 

[Lee.C]

Er, I was gonna reply but you guys did it all for me! 

Yeah, Cima/Mahle 92s + low CR in a Type 2 as a tow vehicle was no problem. Always ran cooler than a cucumber.

Likewise for a season or two with turbo and 25+psi boost = only one cracked cylinder ever.

So much cr*p was put about by certain 'leaders in the industry' at the time. Remember, this was someone who also said that turbocharged VWs don't work...

Thanks for droppin in Uncle Keith 

[Jim Ratto]

I forgot about my friend Darrel's 1835 he used to run in Hawaii. His '66 ran high 12's on slicks with 1835, Engle 125, big ported 041 heads and big compression. 48IDAs too.

[The Ideaman]

I've got a set of NOS NPR 92's if anybody is interested.  PM me.  I had an 1835 in 1979, and it lasted about 7k miles before rings were completely wasted and cylinders were very scored.  Sure was fun for about a year.

[stealth67vw]

I forgot about my friend Darrel's 1835 he used to run in Hawaii. His '66 ran high 12's on slicks with 1835, Engle 125, big ported 041 heads and big compression. 48IDAs too.

He had that motor here in on the mainland. Marvin Freitas from Hawaiian Country V-Dubs helped Darrel put that engine together. The first Pleasanton Bug Bash I went to, 1990 I think, I saw Darrel make a u-turn and stomp on it, flying past the entrance at about triple the speed limit. Those 48s were so distinctive compared to the Baby Dells, ICTs and progressives I was used to seeing.

[Jim Ratto]

I forgot about my friend Darrel's 1835 he used to run in Hawaii. His '66 ran high 12's on slicks with 1835, Engle 125, big ported 041 heads and big compression. 48IDAs too.

He had that motor here in on the mainland. Marvin Freitas from Hawaiian Country V-Dubs helped Darrel put that engine together. The first Pleasanton Bug Bash I went to, 1990 I think, I saw Darrel make a u-turn and stomp on it, flying past the entrance at about triple the speed limit. Those 48s were so distinctive compared to the Baby Dells, ICTs and progressives I was used to seeing.

That's right. I forgot about Marvin. Darrel ran his Corolla he was in Hawaii. He was into dragging To#¤tas before VW's. I think he ran a 3TC with compression, 320' cam, Weber 45DCOEs. He had a "Tiger" DOHC motor at one point too (Japan spec only).