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brewsy
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« on: August 02, 2017, 15:01:14 PM »

Hi All,
Its been long enough now so no more lurking!  Cheesy

Ive been into VW's since I was a sprog and my 1st car was a '72 1200 which I basically ragged to death and (static) lowered excessively!
Been without any car for the past 20 odd years but now back in the UK and bought the family (me really) a car.

Meet Ruby (as shes Ruby red) a 1300cc UK spec 1967 car.
As its the family car the plan is to get it into a reliable daily driver with modernish safety bits ie all round inertia seat belts, refurb all braking, steering and clutch parts so that the driving experience is as close to a 'modern' as possible. That way my partner might actually drive it once in while rather than waste money on buying another car which in London we really don't need!!
Shes currently been converted (badly) into 12V and has the chrome eyebrows and window highlights which I want to throw away but partner and daughter love!

Overall plan is to gradually turn her into a road burner but keep it stock height and look but with killer performance.
My crazy idea is a 1300 DP turbo...

Cheers,
Marc
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brewsy
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 20:49:01 PM »

Basic work completed so far:
Rebuilt windscreen wipers/motor (12V) - the garage that did the 12V conversion just used a voltage dropper (meh)
New ball-joints and extended adjustment camber/castor adjusters.
Gearbox oil change
New rear drums and slaves
New indicator stalk inc 12V flasher relay and some rewiring as again the garage didnt swap the 6V relay and actually left the high beam flashers disconnected!
New vacuum only stock style distributor and pointless ignition http://www.simonbbc.com/electronic_ignition_kits/by_distributor_model/bosch_distributor_009_and_034_powerspark_electronic_ignition_kit So far really impressed with this. Starting is much improved and engine revs out much better.

Work left before I get tuning!!
Fit new front drums, slaves and a new dual circuit master.
Make an Empi camber compensator AND Z bar work together.
Fit beam joint stiffeners.
Choose and fit new shocks.
Fit my rebuilt steering box. Waiting for it to be finished off by Type3Tim from the Samba  Grin! https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=660446&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=trw+steering+box&start=0
Fit urethane anti roll bar mounts.
Four wheel alignment.

ENJOY and then
  Wink Cheesy Grin    Start TURBO motor build     Wink Smiley Cheesy Grin Tongue
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Neil Davies
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 22:29:39 PM »

Nice '67, and nice plans. I think I'd be tempted to go for discs on the front with a turbo motor, especially if you want the wife to drive it! If you've got to get new drums, wheel cylinders and shoes, you're probably not far off a dropped spindles and disc kit.
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glassback kid
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 23:05:32 PM »

I like that, Nice looking clean original 67 i also like the idea of a warmed up little motor, However i would consider upgrade to disks at the front. With regards to the eyebrows i would loose them, tell the good lady they fell off somewhere  Wink
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 00:01:22 AM »

I like that, Nice looking clean original 67 i also like the idea of a warmed up little motor, However i would consider upgrade to disks at the front. With regards to the eyebrows i would loose them, tell the good lady they fell off somewhere  Wink

And the bumpers...
Richie shows just how cool a '67 can look with his latest cab: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,25367.msg340566.html#msg340566
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 12:50:07 PM »

With regards to the eyebrows i would lose them, tell the good lady they fell off somewhere  Wink

Cheers for the comments Gents.
Im totally with you on the disks and will certainly install the CSP wide5 disc conv. when the motor is ready to go.
With a young child and living in London my 'garage' is non existent and time not my own so the new motor is going to be some time...

Glass, if the eyebrows 'fell off' I think my Mrs would make something of mine fall off.....

Not completely sure about lowering it either at the mo. Sacrilege I know on the Cal Look forum but Im thinking about the handling and ability to negotiate the mean pot holey streets where I live!
Showed my partner the wheels I like (Cosmics) and got a very negative response...
https://www.vwheritage.com/ac601025bp-wheel-ssp-cosmic-tuv-black-polished-5-205-5-5x15-et2
Thinking 155 at front at 165 at rear....

Marc
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brewsy
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2017, 14:52:30 PM »

The car passed the MOT on Saturday.
Haven't owned a car for at least 20 years, took it back to the place that I used to use and the guy remembered me!!

Just had 4x inertia diagonal seat belts installed so the sprog will now go in the back.
Front brakes and new (rebuilt) steering box to go and I'll see what my partner thinks about driving an old Beetle!

Marc
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glassback kid
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« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2017, 20:04:38 PM »

[quoteNot completely sure about lowering it either at the mo. Sacrilege I know on the Cal Look forum but Im thinking about the handling and ability to negotiate the mean pot holey streets where I live][/quote]

think we both might get thrown off the forum now Smiley but i kind of agree with you on this one or may be fit adjusters but just use them to lower the front slightly not fully, or go the dropped spindle route but then you got the hassle of making the front track wider, may get away with it if you keep stock steels on it.
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brewsy
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 21:17:30 PM »



Work left before I get tuning!!

Fit my rebuilt steering box. Waiting for it to be finished off by Type3Tim from the Samba  Grin! https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=660446&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=trw+steering+box&start=0

GOT IT!!
AS the old expression goes "the only certain things in life are death and taxes" and good old HMRC got me with import duty! Boooo hisss
Anyway its a work of art and I cant wait to fit it.

Cheers Tim!
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brewsy
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2017, 21:19:05 PM »

Latest update.
Still bringing her up to a decent standard..
Was supposed to have 3 days off work but ended up being 2 so will have to carry on working on Saturday. Shame as I was hoping to make it to my 1st VW show in 20 years! (http://grill-n-chill.co.uk).

Anyway fitted the new drums, slave cylinders and shoes. A PO had painted the inside of the backing plate inc springs!
Fitted the new dual circuit master but could only hook up the rear line as the front ones wouldnt fit.
Also started to unhook the old (new Varga) box and found that the inner tie rod ends, the ones that bolt to the pitman arm, were super tight which would also add to the supper heavy steering! Annoying as rubbers look OK so I gues theyve just dried out. New ones on order.
Lastly and most annoying was to find that at somestage the beam was off and the PO didnt manage to bolt down one of the top bolts fully and sheared OFF the other.
New or replacement beam will therefore have to be sought..
grrr

Oh and notice the swiss cheese effect on the head as a PO tried (in vain) to do 'something' with the petrol feed which failed so the current feed comes out where a LH drive cars master cylinder would be!!
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2017, 23:05:13 PM »

That's an "interesting" set of holes in the top of the framehead! I'd get that plated up as soon as possible, certainly before the next MOT.
A previous owner of my car had cut the framehead open with a giant x shape so only the bottom plate of the framehead was holding the beam on! If someone rocked the car by the gutters the beam stayed still...
While you're elding up the top of the framehead, put a large nut over that snapped stud and fill it with weld. The heat will help to unfreeze it and you'll be able to get a spanner on it. Might take a few goes, and obviously the end of the stud should be clean, but it might save the beam. If not, drill it out and re-tap it.
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2017, 22:02:29 PM »

Cheers Neil.
No welding yet. Whilst it looks bad the hole(s) arent actually too bad. Im more worried about the beam not being fully supported so have ordered a set of removal tools and will drill out the bad bit of bolt.
Also got new inner tie rods, steering damper and top beam rubber mounts/bolts so fingers crossed will have a nice solid friend end.
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brewsy
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2017, 21:30:46 PM »

Gah.
Seems that the PO heard Neils advice, they had actually welded the square washer ONTO what was left of the snapped bolt AND neither side of the body to beam mounts had the rubber under the body...
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Good news is that the 'new' box is lovely! The actual new TRW box was super tight and notchy.
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Still not completely happy with the steering as the tie rods were super tight, even with the drop link disconnected from the steering box I could hardly move the tie rods by hand!
Next is the brakes as the new drums seem to be rubbing on the shoe retaining springs
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2017, 10:22:34 AM »

New German quality drums ordered.
Also compared quality of new 'repop' shoes [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] to the old 'repops' [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] and the quality seems to have detoriated. Doesnt seem that anybody offers new performance shoes but did find EBC offer a set of shoes. These are now ordered so hopefully they are nearer to OEM quality.


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brewsy
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2017, 10:26:50 AM »

Heres pics of findings.
I reckon the drums are machined poorly where the rear bearing cage sits therefore brings the drum 'closer' to the backing plate.
So with that and the bad shoes Im getting friction in all the wrong places!!!
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brewsy
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 21:56:56 PM »

Quick update.
No pictures as I just wanted to get my brakes back in action.
German sourced drums were WAY better quality. Machining seemed much better quality as did the actual casting, for instance I hadn't noticed but on one of the Brazilian(?) drums one of the cutouts that allows you to tap out the bearing races wasn't even there!
Can also recommend the EBC shoes over other pattern parts as the friction material seemed much better quality and more 'even' and the way it was glued to the shoe was more consistent that the other units with no friction material overhanging the shoe itself.

Needless to say there was now obviously much more clearance looking through the adjuster hole and there was absolutely no 'scraping' noises when the drum was rotated!
Cant waiit to bed them in, re-adjust and then PIN the brakes!!
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« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2017, 01:36:26 AM »

Nice car Smiley

You always have that kind of surprises when buying a car. What I've learnt with time and successive cars I've bought, is to check everything and every single bolts and parts after purchase. That's how I discovered some people were okay with mounting an engine with only half the bolts, some others were okay with driving everyday with the front spindles bolts un-locked, and others who were wondering why front wheels were locking hard immediately when braking when they've mounted contact rain tires with the rotation backwards...

Thankfully it will soon be as you want it to be!
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2017, 23:23:03 PM »

More 'fun' found today.
Rear left wheel has been 'squeaking' for some time but I put it down to the drums not being adjusted correctly. Rear brakes were done by a garage, not me, as I didnt have a breaker bar/torque wrench to set the hub nuts correctly.
Surprise surprise but the hub nut doesnt look like it was seated correctly before it was torqued and the split pin inserted.
Will let you know what the garage say about it!!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tzoQ5hFz6M2INxau1
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