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Frallan
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« on: August 09, 2017, 14:53:24 pm »

Sooo, I never got ready with my Pank restoration, not yet. That hurts to be honest. Intentions are very clearly that Pank must run on VW meeting or two prior to final retire. It will happen.
For now the focus is on Pank II.
Ola Malm and Stefan Kocken Allansson are good team members.

The dragster was purchased in USA in April.
It was built in the mid 90s in California. Then sold a couple of times and ending up in Alabama.
It had been stored since 1999.
Few real documented facts existed.
I have now updated the dragster and got it SFI tagged/approved two days ago.

Engine has been given an update and a lot of hoses, nipples and methanol damaged parts been replaced.
Transmission is tested.
A test run/shake-down is planned in few weeks.  
Next year a complete overhauled dragster will be run at several events but no competition is planned.
It is a Pauter Gen 1 Engine.
104 bore and 96 stroke i.e. 3311 cc
Roller cam and Hilborn injection running 100% methanol.
4 stage Pauter dry sump
The transmisison is PG with transbrake and to my surprise it has a 8" converter that is bolted together. Unheard of  in 1999 apart from in very few places.

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Frallan
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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 15:19:55 pm »

https://youtu.be/L3aqTws1cUg

First start up after I bought the car.

https://youtu.be/mg968neoHH4

One short transbrake test. Boost bumped to 25+ psi directly when I gave it throttle.
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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 20:54:32 pm »

👍👍👍👍
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2017, 12:14:37 pm »

 Grin Grin

Good luck now ..
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 06:53:40 am »

Whoooo  Shocked
That looks fierce.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 21:18:49 pm »

Several updates and refreshments going on.
But two "feel good" ones are the new wheels and the safety cage update.

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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 21:26:27 pm »

Not a beautiful sight but it worked really well on 24 psi boost.
I am still very positively surprised in finding this technology in a very old car.  A1 did the transmission so I guees the converter might be so too.

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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2017, 09:33:37 am »

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This feels so potent and I hope it will give me "brown stains" in a private area when releasing the transbrake.
The one way valve leaks a bit so the needle has dropped in the picture but the intake pressure quickly peaks to 25+ psi.
Test run on the track is pretty close now.
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« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2017, 13:52:54 pm »

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So she runs!
Pretty powerful too.

I have managed two testruns in Mosten Denmark.
Run #1 was 100% as per plan. It is more than 20 years since I sat  in a  dragster. Calm and controlled.
Run#2 was 90% as per plan.
Good burn out through both gears.
Good launch with at 5000 rpm and 25 psi boost (1.7 bar approx)
BUT I had intentionally set a very low MSD chip in the MSD /AL at 7400 rpm for the firts run and had intention to put in a 8500 chip for my second run. I forgot.
So with a 1.3 60 foot and through first in to second, all OK.
Then I hit the MSD chip, a backfire stopped all the fun on second gear.

6.0 on first gear (coasting to the finish line at 130 km/h) promises good potential for full runs.

Car is OK and if weather permits, I aim at one more test on the local Malmö track prior to Winter setting in.
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« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2017, 17:13:51 pm »

wow that is a fast 60ft
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2017, 12:06:54 pm »

looking forward seeing this dragster race in real life

nice job

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2017, 13:03:40 pm »

Log data.

I did 175 km/h att 100 meter (330 ft) 3.6 seconds
Shift from first to second was at 7500 rpm at this same point the car bogged hitting the revlimiter and I coasted down to 135 km/h.
This means it would have been a clear low 5 second run at a bit over 210 km/h.

Next time proof will be in the pudding.  I am happy though. It felt good.
1.3s 60 foot should also be low as 1.1s when things are all in order. That will be a nice asskicker. :-)

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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2019, 23:26:14 pm »

All parts in stock.... :-)

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Plus FT500
Plus a nice huge Screwcharger... :-)
2 X water intercoolers
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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2019, 13:32:21 pm »

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2019, 13:33:40 pm »

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« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2019, 13:37:08 pm »

Now it is "just" to get these things together.
Feels good though.

- Quick drive
- A1 converter
- Liberty 5 Speed
- Whipple/HKS 3.6
-Two intercoolers with water or if my tests go well, a slight breeze of CO2 going through them.
- FT500 with 4 X Lambda
- 2X Bosch 2400 cc injectors per cylinder
- 2 1/18" primary with a merged collector exhaust.... not zoomies. I know, I am different and I like that. :lol:
- Steel plates on the Pauter engine block
- Billet Throttlebody
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« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2019, 17:32:42 pm »

Now it is "just" to get these things together.
Feels good though.

- Quick drive
- A1 converter
- Liberty 5 Speed
- Whipple/HKS 3.6
-Two intercoolers with water or if my tests go well, a slight breeze of CO2 going through them.
- FT500 with 4 X Lambda
- 2X Bosch 2400 cc injectors per cylinder
- 2 1/18" primary with a merged collector exhaust.... not zoomies. I know, I am different and I like that. :lol:
- Steel plates on the Pauter engine block
- Billet Throttlebody

Using methanol? if so do you think you need intercoolers still?

cheers Richie
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2019, 17:46:13 pm »

Well that is the topic of the day....
Who will answer me what is right and wrong?
Many schools out there.
I inject right above the valve and it means I am not cooling the air until it is entering the engine.
Note Indy cars and just lately the Volkron, intercoolers is the name of the game.
I will aim at ambient inlet temperatures and if my plan goes well, reaching it by injecting a small amount of CO2 in the water lines, instead of water.
I think it will work if the CO2 is small enough and not injecting until the pressure rises.

If I would inject methanol in the inlet tract, a totally different story and setup.
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« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2019, 18:14:26 pm »

Sorry, I am not trying to be best knowing.... I do not know.
I listen happily to advise.
Reason with me, if my thinking is totally off?
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« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2019, 18:53:20 pm »

Sorry, I am not trying to be best knowing.... I do not know.
I listen happily to advise.
Reason with me, if my thinking is totally off?

I don't know that there is a 100% one rule fits all correct answer Shocked, I don't run one on old cab but have on New cab so far, but having spoken to a lot of racers running boosted methanol combos[mostly v8 pro mod stuff] in USA about it none of them run intercoolers and seems to be not enough benefit for the added weight

Don't you need to inject fuel into blower for lubrication or is that whipple not like that?

With the ft500 I would use one of spare outputs to add some fuel further up intake to help cool it that way and keep it simpler, I am not sure simpler appeals to you though with all the crazy stuff you do Grin Cheesy

I do know with my own stuff its possible to get intake to cold and then methanol just puddles and doesn't want to light, it seems to like a warmer intake temp than gasoline based fuels do Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2019, 19:16:41 pm »

The Whipple runs dry and this is an advantage in many ways.
Plus less risk of major back fires.

Yes, the methanol V8 guys do run wet intakes and therefore not a good reference for me.
I was pretty happy to see Volkron run a large intercooler. I will ask them if they have any advise. Love the topic. No clear answer.... he he
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« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2019, 19:53:10 pm »

I was more talking about the turbo methanol cars than blower cars
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« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2019, 20:35:39 pm »

This is latest creation from Pro line racing, using a gear driven Pro charger off end of crank & FT600 Smiley  no intercooler used Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2019, 11:29:14 am »

Thanks Richie!
Love that engine setup!
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2019, 06:35:43 am »

Just a picture but much more is happening. Every detail takes so much time. But I love it.
A good cleanup of the car but show quality and paint will only happen if I get a good contributor.
Some of the parts back from powdercoat.

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2019, 06:49:26 am »

Do you plan to run this year ?
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2019, 07:27:36 am »

OHHH yes!  Do not ask me when. But I am trying hard.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2019, 09:53:28 am »

Cool looking Proline engine Richie. However, I like this one better and still with no intercoolers:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/3tDs-ixtmug" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/3tDs-ixtmug</a>

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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2019, 12:01:35 pm »

Ahhh guys!  Trying to brain wash me that I do not need intercoolers with methanol.
No, I do not need it, BUT I am convinced I can gain HP with them and this versus the added weight of the dragster.
Now, for simplicity and lower boost this year, I will start without them..... :-)
Plus, from today, any methanol high boost engine I see in history, being successful with intercooler, I will start posting it here until you beg me to stop.... ha ha!
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2019, 12:55:24 pm »

Ahhh guys!  Trying to brain wash me that I do not need intercoolers with methanol.
No, I do not need it, BUT I am convinced I can gain HP with them and this versus the added weight of the dragster.
Now, for simplicity and lower boost this year, I will start without them..... :-)
Plus, from today, any methanol high boost engine I see in history, being successful with intercooler, I will start posting it here until you beg me to stop.... ha ha!

You do absolutely not need a intercooler with methanol. I would also consider not using a intercooler with ethanol.

I like the Cleetus Mc Farland youtube channel. He and his team of happy campers build hillbilly style cars and engines and fix the issues as they appear. Currently they are attending a Drag Week event with both their cars. Both without intercooler. Leroy is a 7 second car and Ruby runs deep into 8`s. Here is day 4 of drag week:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ykX4B-KOjYQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ykX4B-KOjYQ</a>

Keep on with the good work Frallan - love it!

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