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richie
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« on: January 25, 2019, 22:23:55 pm »
Yes its front engined but the Volkron[ from Puerto Rico] aircooled flat 4 turbo power steel bodied beetle just ran 7.21@177mph having gone &.35@170mph earlier today at Speedworld in florida, mph is still way down so looks like its possible to see a 6 second vw door car in near future Shocked
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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2019, 22:40:46 pm »
Just incredible!

Still “only” 800ish hp?

Any guesses on the weight?
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2019, 22:56:28 pm »
Quote from: Erlend / bug66 on January 25, 2019, 22:40:46 pm
Just incredible!

Still “only” 800ish hp?

Any guesses on the weight?

No lots more hp than that, it went 151mph at 1/8th so looks like they are clicking it off early, 1.09ft s well!!!  They are saying 2400lbs weight, body is all steel, not much aero as well Shocked 
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2019, 23:56:02 pm »
Quote from: richie on January 25, 2019, 22:56:28 pm
Quote from: Erlend / bug66 on January 25, 2019, 22:40:46 pm
Just incredible!

Still “only” 800ish hp?

Any guesses on the weight?

No lots more hp than that, it went 151mph at 1/8th so looks like they are clicking it off early, 1.09ft s well!!!  They are saying 2400lbs weight, body is all steel, not much aero as well Shocked 

2400lbs and 151 to the eight should be ~1200hp?
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« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2019, 00:14:42 am »
 Shocked Shocked Shocked
1.09!!! Wow!
Damn that's quick.  Cool
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« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2019, 00:28:12 am »
Now 7.20 @ 184mph... Shocked
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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2019, 00:41:34 am »
This is just absurd... of course it'd be cool if it were rear engined and all but 7.20 @ 184 in a steel-bodied bug with a flat 4 is verging on flat-out unbelievable, regardless of where the damn motor sits. This is gonna be a cool record to see broken.
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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2019, 08:42:57 am »
Quote from: Erlend / bug66 on January 25, 2019, 23:56:02 pm
Quote from: richie on January 25, 2019, 22:56:28 pm
Quote from: Erlend / bug66 on January 25, 2019, 22:40:46 pm
Just incredible!

Still “only” 800ish hp?

Any guesses on the weight?

No lots more hp than that, it went 151mph at 1/8th so looks like they are clicking it off early, 1.09ft s well!!!  They are saying 2400lbs weight, body is all steel, not much aero as well Shocked 

2400lbs and 151 to the eight should be ~1200hp?

Thats about what I reckon as well at moment Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2019, 08:45:50 am »
Quote from: andrewlandon67 on January 26, 2019, 00:41:34 am
This is just absurd... of course it'd be cool if it were rear engined and all but 7.20 @ 184 in a steel-bodied bug with a flat 4 is verging on flat-out unbelievable, regardless of where the damn motor sits. This is gonna be a cool record to see broken.

Yep totally agree, my own personal passion is for rear engined cars but anything that has this performance with the beetle body & shape and flat four pushrod powered gets my total respect wherever the engine is Cool
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2019, 09:43:04 am »
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2019, 16:07:31 pm »
Quote from: richie on January 26, 2019, 08:45:50 am
Quote from: andrewlandon67 on January 26, 2019, 00:41:34 am
This is just absurd... of course it'd be cool if it were rear engined and all but 7.20 @ 184 in a steel-bodied bug with a flat 4 is verging on flat-out unbelievable, regardless of where the damn motor sits. This is gonna be a cool record to see broken.

Yep totally agree, my own personal passion is for rear engined cars but anything that has this performance with the beetle body & shape and flat four pushrod powered gets my total respect wherever the engine is Cool

He's dodging the two weakest links (transaxle/weight distribution related to type1 aero) but nevertheless, a huge leap in AIRCOOLED performance, thumbs up !!!

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2019, 18:28:21 pm »
Totally agree wph !!

A great achievement but for arguments sake, let's say he gets a 6.... how relevant will it be with the engine in the 'wrong' place ?

Would a tube chassis mustang for example with a flat 4 in the rear be MORE relatable  Huh
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2019, 19:23:40 pm »
Photo credits to Dean Kirsten Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2019, 21:52:13 pm »
That intake plenum and the pipework is something different  Shocked
It's got the looks and go  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2019, 01:58:41 am »
Quote from: WhiteTrash on January 26, 2019, 21:52:13 pm
That intake plenum and the pipework is something different  Shocked
It's got the looks and go  Wink

I believe I’ve seen a similar Subaru intake? Billet that as well. And it looked “the same”
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2019, 16:50:52 pm »
awesome work
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2019, 18:01:02 pm »
Quote from: Erlend / bug66 on January 27, 2019, 01:58:41 am


I believe I’ve seen a similar Subaru intake? Billet that as well. And it looked “the same”

With water pumping through it?
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2019, 19:33:04 pm »
Inside of intake plenum
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« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2019, 00:04:13 am »
Quote from: richie on January 27, 2019, 18:01:02 pm
Quote from: Erlend / bug66 on January 27, 2019, 01:58:41 am


I believe I’ve seen a similar Subaru intake? Billet that as well. And it looked “the same”

With water pumping through it?

Hard to say,

Believe it was a Aussie 1000+ hp track car?
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« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2019, 10:04:34 am »
regardless any type of car, holy shit, 7,2...

but looks like it is almost a mid engine car, is the engine behind the front axle? Any video's of his run? I searched on youtube but nothing yet
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« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2019, 10:23:36 am »
https://www.facebook.com/danielo.hernandez.35/videos/2205986202796218/
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« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2019, 10:26:44 am »
And another...
https://www.facebook.com/danielo.hernandez.35/videos/2205870376141134/
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2019, 10:37:38 am »
About time that the ET starts matching the claimed HP numbers and weight  Smiley

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2019, 11:27:08 am »
All I can says is Wow, agreed engine's in the wrong place, but "Wow" nonetheless.

Maybe, just maybe, moving the engine is what it takes?
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2019, 11:54:16 am »
Quote from: Andrew on January 28, 2019, 11:27:08 am
All I can says is Wow, agreed engine's in the wrong place, but "Wow" nonetheless.

Maybe, just maybe, moving the engine is what it takes?

The thing I think they eliminate FAST is the experimenting and "testing" part.

This has been done before in "similar" sized cars with the same type of suspension etc. So they can start with a setup that just works.

And the air shift pretty much rocks!


I would also guess a straight cut and straight thourg gearbox is stronger and more efficient?
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2019, 13:15:10 pm »
this is so impressive!

 at the same time I agree doing it with a rear engined car presents other challenges, not that it won't eventually happen, right?  Wink
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2019, 13:21:38 pm »
great achivement but lots of money involved....Wink

For sure the weight Distribution in the car makes it good to drive,
but ist fast because of the gearbox. Shifting is fast and the Ratio is made to catch the Speed.
Listen to the engine Sound in the Video....
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« Reply #27 on: January 28, 2019, 13:26:40 pm »
Could you air shift a sequential mendy?
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« Reply #28 on: January 28, 2019, 13:32:40 pm »
Yes!  Cool

But ist not plug and Play like the lenco gearbox...
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« Reply #29 on: January 28, 2019, 13:33:59 pm »
Sooooo,

with a double a-arm, 4-link or IRS rear, 1200hp and airshift, you should be able to match the car  Grin
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