7.21@177mph flat 4 door powered car, is a 6second pass possible now?

[Basti]

not with 4 gears in my opinion....

[Erlend / bug66]

Just order a 5 speed sequential Mendeola 

[Basti]

ist in my car

[Erlend / bug66]

ist in my car

No worries then 

[richie]

Sooooo,

with a double a-arm, 4-link or IRS rear, 1200hp and airshift, you should be able to match the car 

We are going to try and see if that theory is correct

[richie]

To add to that, Basti is correct, 4 gears aren't enough, I think really it needs a 6 speed to make it at all possible, and the way a conventional cars rear suspension works if its 4 link solid axle compared to our cars is very very different, I already read that its easy "just add enough weight at front to give same front to rear weight ratio as front engined car" but its much more complicated than just that   

[BeetleBug]

I already read that its easy "just add enough weight at front to give same front to rear weight ratio as front engined car" but its much more complicated than just that    

If it was easy then everyone would do it. However it is nice to see that innovation is pushing the ET down to a new level and I`m sure it will creep a fair bit further down sooner rather than later when I see that car go and looking at the 60ft.

-BB-

[Erlend / bug66]

6speed sequential transaxle is Albin, right?

[Basti]

Yes but never used in dragrace if i am correct....

[richie]

6speed sequential transaxle is Albin, right?

Yes but never used in dragrace if i am correct....

Yes it is and yes not to my knowledge it hasn't yet

[Erlend / bug66]

6speed sequential transaxle is Albin, right?

Yes but never used in dragrace if i am correct....

Yes it is and yes not to my knowledge it hasn't yet

I guess it's a cost thing? 25k$ without options 

But guess it should be strong enough? I even believe they have a 11,5" RP option?

[mikko k]

https://weddleindustries.com/products/1000165/1002797

[richie]

I guess it's a cost thing? 25k$ without options 

But guess it should be strong enough? I even believe they have a 11,5" RP option?

cost is a big factor & compared to the liberty the cost of this is insane, but in a dream world where I could afford it the case would be my main concern, I know Pety had issues with the 5 speed mendy case cracking and needed a billet one to make it strong enough and at $25k plus it would need to be strong enough

[Erlend / bug66]

I guess it's a cost thing? 25k$ without options 

But guess it should be strong enough? I even believe they have a 11,5" RP option?

cost is a big factor & compared to the liberty the cost of this is insane, but in a dream world where I could afford it the case would be my main concern, I know Pety had issues with the 5 speed mendy case cracking and needed a billet one to make it strong enough and at $25k plus it would need to be strong enough

What’s the cost of a liberty, custom rear axle and a light driveshaft?

[Frallan]

Liberty now does a 7 speed.

[Berger]

Yes its front engined but the Volkron[ from Puerto Rico] aircooled flat 4 turbo power steel bodied beetle just ran 7.21@177mph having gone &.35@170mph earlier today at Speedworld in florida, mph is still way down so looks like its possible to see a 6 second vw door car in near future

This is cool and they have my respect for the results they make with a flat-4 engine, but it`s not by fare comparable with a 7-second pass with a manually shifted rear engine beetle 
So to me they might as well put a V8 in the front of it, it`s not a "real" beetle... 

[richie]

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This is cool and they have my respect for the results they make with a flat-4 engine, but it`s not by fare comparable with a 7-second pass with a manually shifted rear engine beetle 
So to me they might as well put a V8 in the front of it, it`s not a "real" beetle... 

Yep it is totally different from a rear engine manually shifted clutch car which is a whole world of pain harder but its still cool, I kind of agree but anything flat 4 aircooled based is more interesting to me than a V8, I have had way to many people say New cabrio isn't a real VW as its a chassis car & there was a whole load of bullshit about it after i ran a 7 from the haters , it gets hard to define what is really a VW still when its a race car.
 To me old cabrio is about as real as you can get going quick & be safe[full stock floorpan,stock suspension,stock VW brakes ,VW trans with syncros on every gear using a clutch for every shift etc etc],  but am sure others would disagree as its not how Karmann built it

cheers Richie

[Berger]

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This is cool and they have my respect for the results they make with a flat-4 engine, but it`s not by fare comparable with a 7-second pass with a manually shifted rear engine beetle 
So to me they might as well put a V8 in the front of it, it`s not a "real" beetle... 

Yep it is totally different from a rear engine manually shifted clutch car which is a whole world of pain harder but its still cool, I kind of agree but anything flat 4 aircooled based is more interesting to me than a V8, I have had way to many people say New cabrio isn't a real VW as its a chassis car & there was a whole load of bullshit about it after i ran a 7 from the haters , it gets hard to define what is really a VW still when its a race car.
 To me old cabrio is about as real as you can get going quick & be safe[full stock floorpan,stock suspension,stock VW brakes ,VW trans with syncros on every gear using a clutch for every shift etc etc],  but am sure others would disagree as its not how Karmann built it

cheers Richie

Well, everyone have different criteria's, but if flat 4 engine is the only one, mid 6`s I believe is the time to beat..?  I believe  I recently saw a Datsun drag car with a front mounted flat 4 turbo engine..? Impressive... 

It have to be flat 4, it have to be rear engine and it have to look like a VW, that is my criteria's. So your New Cabrio, The Hater Maker, Red Baron, Skinne Beetle etc are the real deal fast VW`s

[Ragtop]

I believe they ran out of rpms on the 7.21 run. So I think they went as fast as the tranny could go 

Saw that the tranny is for sale.

[Frallan]

1-7 speeds.
You choose your needs and if you have the budget, just go for it!

http://libertysgears.com/our-products/extreme-t-transmissions/


.... and if you want the "best" launch, you go with a Bruno/Quick Drive (plus work with a company that does bolted converters so you can modify them for best adaption of your needs) just like in the pictures

[Erlend / bug66]

So they can't just swap some gears out?

[Frallan]

Of course possible if you only want more top speed.
Change fourth gear.
Now what happens then to the harmony of what you just had?
Now finding a "sweet spot"  and getting that traction and ET is not likely anything you wish to fiddle with too much.
Anything is possible but every change can be like starting over from the beginning.
A must safer move is to add a new gear.

I asked Ibrahim Colon who is part of the team what they intend to do. Lets see if he answers.

[karmi]

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This is cool and they have my respect for the results they make with a flat-4 engine, but it`s not by fare comparable with a 7-second pass with a manually shifted rear engine beetle 
So to me they might as well put a V8 in the front of it, it`s not a "real" beetle... 

Yep it is totally different from a rear engine manually shifted clutch car which is a whole world of pain harder but its still cool, I kind of agree but anything flat 4 aircooled based is more interesting to me than a V8, I have had way to many people say New cabrio isn't a real VW as its a chassis car & there was a whole load of bullshit about it after i ran a 7 from the haters , it gets hard to define what is really a VW still when its a race car.
 To me old cabrio is about as real as you can get going quick & be safe[full stock floorpan,stock suspension,stock VW brakes ,VW trans with syncros on every gear using a clutch for every shift etc etc],  but am sure others would disagree as its not how Karmann built it

cheers Richie

Only flat 4 aircooled rockt 

[andy198712]

is there an engine behind that massive turbo   what a beast! i think the build was probably more than my home!

[richie]

7.18@188mph today, they are creeping nearer

[Frallan]

7.10.....

[richie]

7.10.....

Hi Frallan

I cant find any info on it going this quick, where did you see that it did?

cheers Richie

[Frallan]

Nope Richie!  I read it on one of my "latino"  speaking feeds but then it did not come up anymore so I think it might just be a comment that they are in the 7.1 range, which in fact is 7.18.
Sorry about that!

[richie]

Nope Richie!  I read it on one of my "latino"  speaking feeds but then it did not come up anymore so I think it might just be a comment that they are in the 7.1 range, which in fact is 7.18.
Sorry about that!

Ok

[modnrod]

I wonder about the power transfer efficiency between the stock transaxle and a front engine arrangement.
I think the weight would be similar in the end, maybe a bit heavier for front-engine, but for a low-HP setup perhaps the stock layout is quicker still.
Maybe?
Dunno.