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Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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Donny B.
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 04, 2007, 21:05:22 pm »
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 04, 2007, 21:07:19 pm »
lol
Actually I think my wife is getting me a 12" curved 60% Berg 4 speed for Christmas. I will just keep my eyes open on the Samba for an early style handle.
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Tim C
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 04, 2007, 21:45:31 pm »
I had a Bugpack T-handle shifter for a few years and it was ok; but then swapped it for a Berg and wow - what a difference - great shifting!
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 10:46:09 am »
Quote from: Tim C on December 04, 2007, 21:45:31 pm
I had a Bugpack T-handle shifter for a few years and it was ok; but then swapped it for a Berg and wow - what a difference - great shifting!
Actually, Bugpack is the only shifter I would never recommend. It’s the only shifter I know that is just…. bad. Maybe some of them work, but all I tried didn’t. Inaccurate, don’t give you the “feeling” and it’s too often difficult to find the right gear. And also the handle that get loose all the time.
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Mauro Cattan
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 11:55:42 am »
Quote from: Tim C on December 04, 2007, 21:45:31 pm
I had a Bugpack T-handle shifter for a few years and it was ok; but then swapped it for a Berg and wow - what a difference - great shifting!
The same thing for me, but the shifter was a new Scat Drag Fast swapped for a Hurst copper. Moreover the Hurst ball handle is much more comfortable than the T handle.
Ciao
Mauro
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 15:08:36 pm »
Quote from: louisb on December 04, 2007, 21:07:19 pm
lol
Actually I think my wife is getting me a 12" curved 60% Berg 4 speed for Christmas. I will just keep my eyes open on the Samba for an early style handle.
--louis
Hi Louis you have to Watch I was talking to Tim at Bergs and He told me The Early Shifters have a Different Shaft Size and some of the Handles wont fit just something to think about. I was going to Buy a New shifter and I have an old Handle but it wont fit
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 16:23:49 pm »
Quote from: Shubee2 (DSK) on December 05, 2007, 15:08:36 pm
Quote from: louisb on December 04, 2007, 21:07:19 pm
lol
Actually I think my wife is getting me a 12" curved 60% Berg 4 speed for Christmas. I will just keep my eyes open on the Samba for an early style handle.
--louis
Hi Louis you have to Watch I was talking to Tim at Bergs and He told me The Early Shifters have a Different Shaft Size and some of the Handles wont fit just something to think about. I was going to Buy a New shifter and I have an old Handle but it wont fit
Bigger or smaller???
Frank
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 16:31:49 pm »
Yeah, couldn't you just drill and tap it if it was smaller?
--louis
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 17:12:25 pm »
BTW, I just got off the phone with CIP1 and they will have all the CSP items, including shifters, for sale on their website on Monday of next week.
--louis
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 18:06:45 pm »
how early is early?
mine were purchased in 1999 and 2000....both came with straight, ugly looking handles with GENE BERG engraved on them.
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Shubee2 (DSK)
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 20:41:10 pm »
I Dont Know The Years on the Shifters But if you are Planning whiching handles Check with Tim at Berg he can Tell you if it will work or not I Know the Early berg handle I have Wont fit the New Shifters, and Louis the Handles have Set Screws the bore of the handles are Different the set screws hold them on
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 23:11:17 pm »
Ok Shubee,
So YOU have an Early GENE BERG Handle and you are telling us that it might not fit Later Berg Shifters, but when we ask if the Bore of the early Handle is to Small or to Big you can't answer...?!?
Sounds strange to me!!!
For you Information, the fixing screws on the Berg Handles are at a 5 o'clock Position on the Early ones and at 7 o'clock for the Later ones...
Thank You,
Frank
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 05, 2007, 23:36:45 pm »
Quote from: Frank LUX on December 05, 2007, 23:11:17 pm
Ok Shubee,
So YOU have an Early GENE BERG Handle and you are telling us that it might not fit Later Berg Shifters, but when we ask if the Bore of the early Handle is to Small or to Big you can't answer...?!?
Sounds strange to me!!!
For you Information, the fixing screws on the Berg Handles are at a 5 o'clock Position on the Early ones and at 7 o'clock for the Later ones...
Thank You,
Frank
Hey Frank I Dont Have A Shifter to Tell You!
I am Going By What Tim at Berg Told Me I told him the handle I have and he said it would not Fit the new shifter If I had it in my Hand I could tell you one way or the other
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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Reply #43 on:
December 05, 2007, 23:39:04 pm »
Quote from: Shubee2 (DSK) on December 05, 2007, 23:36:45 pm
Quote from: Frank LUX on December 05, 2007, 23:11:17 pm
Ok Shubee,
So YOU have an Early GENE BERG Handle and you are telling us that it might not fit Later Berg Shifters, but when we ask if the Bore of the early Handle is to Small or to Big you can't answer...?!?
Sounds strange to me!!!
For you Information, the fixing screws on the Berg Handles are at a 5 o'clock Position on the Early ones and at 7 o'clock for the Later ones...
Thank You,
Frank
>:(Hey Frank I Dont Have A Shifter to Tell You! I am Going By What Tim at Berg Told Me I told him the handle I have and he said it would not Fit the new shifter If I had it in my Hand I could tell you one way or the other
Shubee: I was going to Buy a New shifter and I have an old Handle but it wont fit
Me No comprende...Sorry
Frank
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Shubee2 (DSK)
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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Reply #44 on:
December 06, 2007, 17:36:18 pm »
Quote from: Frank LUX on December 05, 2007, 23:39:04 pm
Quote from: Shubee2 (DSK) on December 05, 2007, 23:36:45 pm
Quote from: Frank LUX on December 05, 2007, 23:11:17 pm
Ok Shubee,
So YOU have an Early GENE BERG Handle and you are telling us that it might not fit Later Berg Shifters, but when we ask if the Bore of the early Handle is to Small or to Big you can't answer...?!?
Sounds strange to me!!!
For you Information, the fixing screws on the Berg Handles are at a 5 o'clock Position on the Early ones and at 7 o'clock for the Later ones...
Thank You,
Frank
>:(Hey Frank I Dont Have A Shifter to Tell You! I am Going By What Tim at Berg Told Me I told him the handle I have and he said it would not Fit the new shifter If I had it in my Hand I could tell you one way or the other
Shubee: I was going to Buy a New shifter and I have an old Handle but it wont fit
Me No comprende...Sorry
Frank
I Guess it Depends on the Handle you Have? why Cant they leave things alone LOL I was Planning on Doing the Same Thing New Shifter Old Handle Oh Well
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louisb
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 06, 2007, 17:37:44 pm »
Edit: I am going to end up with a Berg handle it looks like. They are having them machined now so I was able to get one with a polished handle at no extra charge. I ended up with a 40% throw, 12 inch with extra curve. (The extra curve is so I don't have to sit forward to reach first and third with the seat all the way back.)
Oh, and on another note unrelated to this, the Berg deep sumps will finally be back in stock next Monday. But they are still out of their glandnuts.
--louis
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Bruce
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 08, 2007, 18:36:17 pm »
Quote from: louisb on December 04, 2007, 01:46:01 am
Has anyone ever been able to modify a non-Berg shifter to work with a Berg 5 speed?
I first modified a Hurst shifter to work with my B5.
Then I made this Chevelle/Hurst shifter for the car. I did this by welding the Chevelle stick to a Hurst mechanism. The original Chevelle shifter's two post trigger works exactly the same as the round trigger of a Hurst. The bottom rectangular hole of the Hurst needed to be made wider.
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Frank LUX
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 09, 2007, 15:58:37 pm »
Just checked on the Handle Shifter Thing and it turned out that the Early Handle has a larger Inside Diameter than the later ones...
Will have my Early Berg Handle sleeved to fit the Later Shifter...
BTW, Looks like the Reverse Push Button was indead anodized Golden Back then...
Frank
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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December 15, 2007, 10:19:37 am »
mmm..... i know i will be impopular, but i definitely dislike quickshift...that i found absolutely no reason to exist on a street car. i dislike having to kick shifter to enter different gears. i just have to move shifter by one finger. and with a quickshift, that move dimension of leverism, paying force to reduce movement, this is simply impossible. on my buggy i had an old empi shifter that worked no fails, but i simply hated it, on my old mini cooper1,3. i had a KAD quickshift.....the best you could buy for the cooper....result??? in both cases i returned to stock shifter (in the buggy i put 67 deluxe backcurved lever that is wonderful and very similar to 356 lever).
quickshift, just to end with my opinion, are nonsense on a streeet car, and could even take away a little driving pleasure, i think tht people use them more as a style thing, than a driving help.
other thing is a race car, obviously..
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Re: Shifters Which One Do You Perfer and Why?
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Reply #49 on:
December 16, 2007, 07:15:24 am »
My early square Berg shifter (circa 1990) handle fit on my new (2007) 6770 shifter.
My preference is the Berg 60% rapid travel shifters.
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