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Jesse/DVK
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Jesse's '64 - Dynoday
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January 22, 2008, 21:29:26 pm »
Because I got some plans for my '64 bug this year, I thought I open a topic.
It all started with this bug I bought when I was 19, (20 years old now
).
Pretty much a stock bug, except for the Flat 4 BRM's. It was also converted to 12volt and has a Mexican 1200 engine in the back.
Interior was also stock and very old.
Than I got on the wrong track, I bougt a foglight and a roofrack
I won't post a photo of that fase
.
This is how the bug looks now, photo was taken on the way back from Das Drag Day #5. What a great event! The bug is lowered with a CB Perf. front axle, it also has an electronic 1-2-3 Ignition.
This winter I ordered a new interior from TMI and fitted it with help of my dad. New carpet, seats and doorpanels. This is how it looks now. I'm very proud with the result.
So what are my plans for this year:
* Autometer monster tacho
* Disc brakes in the front
* CSP-Shifter
* EU rear bumper
* 205/70 tires
* Cool exhaust for my 1200 with a fatboy muffler
* Starting on a 1776/1915 engine(winter 2008)
Who knows a good 205/70 tire? And what make of front disc brakes?
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 22, 2008, 22:00:23 pm »
nice car & love the interior upholstery
why don't you put another tach like a vdo or smith , too many auto meter for me IMHO
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 22, 2008, 22:06:14 pm »
nice car Jesse. Interior looks stunning!
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lowfastbus
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 22, 2008, 22:22:20 pm »
Goodyear makes nice 205/70 tires... Eagles
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 22, 2008, 23:01:58 pm »
I have a pair for my car, looks great. Fairly cheap too if i remember correctly.
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 23, 2008, 11:14:31 am »
With the 1200 I'd go for a smaller tyre and muffler - a 185/70 would be ideal, and a 4 into 1 header with a little glasspack (painted white!) with a chrome tip would look spot on for early Cal Look!
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 23, 2008, 13:30:39 pm »
Quote from: Neil Davies on January 23, 2008, 11:14:31 am
With the 1200 I'd go for a smaller tyre and muffler - a 185/70 would be ideal, and a 4 into 1 header with a little glasspack (painted white!) with a chrome tip would look spot on for early Cal Look!
i agree neil
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 23, 2008, 16:37:06 pm »
Quote from: Neil Davies on January 23, 2008, 11:14:31 am
With the 1200 I'd go for a smaller tyre and muffler - a 185/70 would be ideal, and a 4 into 1 header with a little glasspack (painted white!) with a chrome tip would look spot on for early Cal Look!
that's what i think as well
but it's your call jesse
your interior looks tip top as well.
and you might wanna reconsider going with a 1679cc - that's gotta be the coolest displacement around.
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 23, 2008, 18:45:05 pm »
Thanks guys!
@ Diederick, 1679cc - very cool yes, but will it make enough horsepower
About the tires, I'm going for the 205/70's. It will only be one year with the 1200.
About the front disc brakes, does anybody have experience with the kit from A.C. Industries?
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Re: Mean Green '64
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January 23, 2008, 18:51:24 pm »
Not the whole kit, but I used their rotors and they were nicely done.
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Jesse/DVK
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 09, 2008, 17:57:47 pm »
Two weeks ago I fitted the rear wheels with Bridgestone 205/70 tires.
I also got tipped by a friend about a 'tuned' engine in somebody's garage nearby. Will have a look at it very soon. Do you guys have some tips on where to look at when buying an engine?
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 09, 2008, 19:32:05 pm »
a 1679cc engine is alot of fun and will provide enough hp.
Depends on how you build it of course and for what purpose.
A well build 1679 can beat any 1776 or so engine.Its all in the combo
of engine and gearbox etc and of course money counts.
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Jesse/DVK
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 09, 2008, 22:50:55 pm »
Just got a reply from the guy with the engine, he is going to use it in his own bug
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 10, 2008, 04:11:10 am »
For brakes its either CB, Airkewld, or CSP.
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 11, 2008, 11:05:03 am »
Guys, what are your opinions about an Auto Linea case? A shop here in the Netherlands sells them for 500 euros. It than clearenced for a 82mm crank, bored for 94mm or 90.5mm cilinders and ready for full flow. Will that be a better investment than buying a second hand AS41 case and have it machined (don't know what machining costs?).
Plan is to go for a 1915 or 2110. Or is that to much for a first time engine build?
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 12, 2008, 02:56:46 am »
i think that case is just fine. and starting with a fresh case gives you a lot better start position than a used case (not knowing what to expect of it)
and as i said, w.r.t. the current $ rate you can get any case shipped to NL for even less.
but the most important thing is if anyone would recommend building either a max displacement stock stroke engine (like i'm doing) or a conservative large stroke engine (funny comparison vs 1915cc) engine. and i can't give a rightful answer to that yet...
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 12, 2008, 12:04:56 pm »
Quote from: 67-indeed/DVK on March 12, 2008, 02:56:46 am
but the most important thing is if anyone would recommend building either a max displacement stock stroke engine (like i'm doing) or a conservative large stroke engine (funny comparison vs 1915cc) engine. and i can't give a rightful answer to that yet...
I asked John Maher the same thing back in 1998 or so. I was looking for advice on something streetable and capable of mid-to-low 14's. John asked what parts I'd got already (basically only a set of 40x35.5 heads cut for 90.5's and a pair of 40IDF's) which really narrowed it down to a lazy 2007 or a more highly strung 1776. Basically the conclusion was that the bigger the displacement, the less work it has to do to run a set number. A 2332 should run easy 12's and be relatively low stressed, wheras a 1776 in the 12's is possible but will be a more stressed motor.
Of course, I decided to build neiother motor and a few years later ended up with an IDA'd 2180!
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Jesse/DVK
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 19, 2008, 10:12:05 am »
This Sunday I bought an 1300AR motor.
It is really dirty but internally it looks good. It's an AS21 case. After a lot of talking and discussing I'm going for the 1915cc engine. Based around a DPR 69 welded crank, Engle w-125 camshaft, and 40x35mm heads, and a lot of other stuff
. Seems like i'm going to have to save a lot of money.
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Jesse/DVK
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 25, 2008, 11:40:22 am »
Yesterday I split the case, it all looks good inside. Soon I will go to a machine shop to have it drilled for 94mm cilinders and tapped for full flow.
This is the setup I have come up with.
AS21 Case
DPR 69mm welded C/W
Stock rods
Engle W-125
Mahle 94mm cilinders&pistons
Gene berg lifters
Gene berg pushrods
40x35.5 heads (SCAT, CB, Steve Timms??)
Gene Berg HD rocker shafts
Stock rockers
26mm oilpump
Weber 40 IDF or Dell'orto 40mm (looking for an old Alfa 33
)
1-2-3 ignition
12lbs flywheel
Merged header + empi phatboy
Any comments guys?
About using the stock rods, in the aircooled vw interchange manual of Keith Seume it says that stock rods are great for a street engine, what could I do to improve them? What bolts etc.?
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 25, 2008, 13:59:04 pm »
Sounds like a really nice combo.
If the case is good,then use it,but check for cracks.Does it have case savers?
I prefer the new case.
You will have problems with Alfa carbs if you don't get the right ones.I suggest Dellorto 40,and get all your jets and parts from CB Performance or from Dellorto.co.uk.The first important thing to check when you get the ex-alfa carbs,if the throttleshaft moves freely.If it does,than they shouel have future.
I have repaired and rebuild few sets of these carbs,and they are not too bad.Be sure to get non leaking floats.
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 25, 2008, 17:42:38 pm »
Quote from: cal-look on March 25, 2008, 13:59:04 pm
Sounds like a really nice combo.
If the case is good,then use it,but check for cracks.Does it have case savers?
I prefer the new case.
You will have problems with Alfa carbs if you don't get the right ones.I suggest Dellorto 40,and get all your jets and parts from CB Performance or from Dellorto.co.uk.The first important thing to check when you get the ex-alfa carbs,if the throttleshaft moves freely.If it does,than they shouel have future.
I have repaired and rebuild few sets of these carbs,and they are not too bad.Be sure to get non leaking floats.
Yes it has case savers with M8 studs. When I find a set of carbs the will be rebuilt and ultrasoon cleaned.
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Re: Jesse's '64
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March 25, 2008, 18:41:27 pm »
I think is better to make a new line on your as21 case , so you can start with good material .
Look for the rods , you can have good ones ( flat4 , CB etc..) , not expensive .
Don't use Alfa carbs , always problem in pespective !! maybe try to find 44 idf .
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 04, 2008, 15:40:54 pm »
why not use DRLA 40??? Very good carbs, I restored my pair and they work really well. Just aded CB ubdate kit nad its mint (not so many trubble with jetting...), they don't need that but jet doctor of CB is a very good idea.
As I heard DRLA's are the most sofiscicated carbs on the marcket (those days).
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 04, 2008, 16:07:56 pm »
Jesse, your car looks GREAT. Always dug on Java Green. I miss my Java '66 Berlin model Beetle.
I'm going to build the same engine size as you... 1915cc. You're right; it's going to be a long road of saving money ahead. But it'll be well worth it.
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 05, 2008, 19:12:15 pm »
@ Greentom, well I'm going to look for some secondhand carbs from old Alfa 33's. They were fitted with Weber 40 IDF or Dell'Orto 40 DRLA. So it depends on what I find.
@ Fred, thanks! 1915cc should be a great engine and the most bang for buck.
I splitted the case and everything looks good, no cracks etc. By the way the American guys, are there any cool VW shops located in New York? Because I'm going to New York with school in May.
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 09, 2008, 16:59:28 pm »
Quote from: Jesse/DVK on March 25, 2008, 11:40:22 am
Yesterday I split the case, it all looks good inside. Soon I will go to a machine shop to have it drilled for 94mm cilinders and tapped for full flow.
This is the setup I have come up with.
AS21 Case
DPR 69mm welded C/W
Stock rods
Engle W-125
Mahle 94mm cilinders&pistons
Gene berg lifters
Gene berg pushrods
40x35.5 heads (SCAT, CB, Steve Timms??)
Gene Berg HD rocker shafts
Stock rockers
26mm oilpump
Weber 40 IDF or Dell'orto 40mm (looking for an old Alfa 33
)
1-2-3 ignition
12lbs flywheel
Merged header + empi phatboy
Any comments guys?
About using the stock rods, in the aircooled vw interchange manual of Keith Seume it says that stock rods are great for a street engine, what could I do to improve them? What bolts etc.?
Jesse, do yourself a Big favour. get a New Case.
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Jordy/DVK
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 09, 2008, 18:55:50 pm »
A case isn't that heavy and with the current exchange rate it might be a good idea to order one abroad.
Lowbugget sells machined cases for $499,- which is +- €315,-. We could order our cases together to save $€$€...
(I think washing/checking/alignboring/machining that case will cost well over €350,- won't it?)
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 09, 2008, 20:48:51 pm »
Quote from: Jordy/DVK on April 09, 2008, 18:55:50 pm
(I think washing/checking/alignboring/machining that case will cost well over €350,- won't it?)
And still have low oil pressure, crap floating around, etc.
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Re: Jesse's '64
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April 12, 2008, 12:53:15 pm »
Quote from: Jordy/DVK on April 09, 2008, 18:55:50 pm
(I think washing/checking/alignboring/machining that case will cost well over €350,- won't it?)
I think you need to do most of that with a new case as well...
I'd prefer a decent AR case over a new auto-linea case any time. New mag cases are not always any better in quality these days either...
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Re: Jesse's '64
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July 07, 2008, 19:19:32 pm »
Thought of giving you guys an update. Bought a turbo muffler and a 1 1/2 inch header at EBI2. Still debating on the engine choice, 1776 vs 1915 and which cam. The rest of the setup I got pretty worked out.
DPR C/W
Stock rods
SCAT Mini-D heads
GB pushrods
GB lifters
Stock rocker arms with HD shaft
40 DRLA's for now and saving for 48 IDA's.
1 1/2 inch header
1-2-3 ignition
What do you guys think? 1914 of 1776? With a stock 1200 gearbox and what cam? Was thinking of a Engle W120 of W125.
Thanks!
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