How did the old guys launch?

[GreenTom]

hehe yeah, I didn't blow anything for a long time... I hope that i won't change especially during the racing on 28th

oh the question I'm thinking about makeing linelock with 2 solenoids 1 on the front (burning some rubber) 1 on the back to load the gearbox, will I be albe to feel the car as using the hand brake? (by the way whats a hand brake hahaha I think there isn't one in my car )

[ian c]

hehe shouldn't it be "less is more"

yip !!!

less human input is more consistant launches

[ian c]

hehe yeah, I didn't blow anything for a long time... I hope that i won't change especially during the racing on 28th

oh the question I'm thinking about makeing linelock with 2 solenoids 1 on the front (burning some rubber) 1 on the back to load the gearbox, will I be albe to feel the car as using the hand brake? (by the way whats a hand brake hahaha I think there isn't one in my car )

you mean inch the car forward ? or feel for point you "hit the resistence" ?

for more consistency you can use a brake-line pressure guage .....

[Sarge]

less human input is more consistant launches

Hahahaha...good point!

[ian c]

i've narrowed it down to watching the light and letting the clutch up .....  still plenty for me to mess up !!! 

[GreenTom]

hmm I think I just wanna feel the car not read the gauges
I'm just wondering if it won't be to much tehnick involved which will reduce the link betwen car and me

[ian c]

you dont need to read the guages .
you only watch pressure guage while you activate the line lock . (as its not just stomp on the brakes and hit the switch)
when you activate line lock at predetermined pressure , you have also activated 2-step .
this is set to a predetermined rpm , so from then on all your watching is the lights ...

[ian c]

and i realize i'm straying offtopic as this is not how the old guys used to do it !!

they had to feel if the clutch was right , and the hanbrake right , and watch to see if the rpm was right ...

WAY to complicated for me !!! 

[Harry/FDK]

Serge, don't you like wires and stuff

Only if they involve blowing things up

Amen!

[Sarge]

Serge, don't you like wires and stuff

Only if they involve blowing things up

Amen!

My favorite wires and "stuff" ...

[ian c]

you have them for hunting use only , right ??

[Harry/FDK]

Sarge, i have some pesky "foreigners" lurking 'round my house. Beers are free. What do you think ?!

[Sarge]

you have them for hunting use only , right ??

Uh, yeah..., hunting purposes only

Sarge, i have some pesky "foreigners" lurking 'round my house. Beers are free. What do you think ?!

Free beers??  I'm down for that..., see you tonight

[John Rayburn]

Serge, don't you like wires and stuff

Only if they involve blowing things up

Amen!

My favorite wires and "stuff" ...

                                                Is that for the really sophisticated rats of Chino?

[John Rayburn]

This is how Sarge lunches.

[ian c]

seeing that , at 7 in the morning , makes me SO hungry !!!

[Bewitched666]

Good burger will make you launch hard,lol

[javabug]

Why is there a picture of Sarge holding his sausage?  Maybe it isn't his???

[ian c]

Good burger will make you launch hard,lol

a good indian the night before will help get the wieght down !!

somebody mention slip-stream ?? 

[Peter]

Hey Guys,
some new stories?
How about launching Ghias

[Taylor]

Launching ghias? See above.

[Bryan Nunes]

Hey guys I know this is late in the talk about the hand brake not dropping all the way. Since I drive my car on the street I didn't want to pull the push rod out I cut a small section out of the rod than tig welded in a nut, drilled a hole on the flat part and put in a pin.

[Zach Gomulka]

Good thinking!

[Worm]

Why do you need that?
Heres the sequence....
Stage
Pull up hand brake with button pushed in.
Hold button in pull hard on e brake
Let out clutch slightly
Hit gas, more clutch
Car feels like a bull thats hunching its rear quarters
Yellow yellow
Launch by releasing clutch depressing gas and pushing down hard on ebrake.
By the time you slam the ebrake down you just in time to shift into 2nd

So.... my point is, if you are pushing the ebrake down and moving your hand forward to shift.... why do you need a button lock?
Seems like over kill. 
There was an earlier post on this thread that truly made the most sense.  We DID drive these cars every day and I could FEEL the car. I knew when and how as I spent hours and hours driving it hard.  Plus we street raced a TON.  Experience is key and so is the willingness to drive your car hard like it should.

2 cents.  Good looking ebrake tho dude.

One more thing, as FiatDude so brilliantly said a few months ago.  Paraphrased...  "if you are still there when the light is green...you are LATE"
Chew on that.

Peace

[OC1967vw]

Why do you need that?
Heres the sequence....
Stage
Pull up hand brake with button pushed in.
Hold button in pull hard on e brake
Let out clutch slightly
Hit gas, more clutch
Car feels like a bull thats hunching its rear quarters
Yellow yellow
Launch by releasing clutch depressing gas and pushing down hard on ebrake.
By the time you slam the ebrake down you just in time to shift into 2nd

So.... my point is, if you are pushing the ebrake down and moving your hand forward to shift.... why do you need a button lock?
Seems like over kill. 
There was an earlier post on this thread that truly made the most sense.  We DID drive these cars every day and I could FEEL the car. I knew when and how as I spent hours and hours driving it hard.  Plus we street raced a TON.  Experience is key and so is the willingness to drive your car hard like it should.

2 cents.  Good looking ebrake tho dude.

One more thing, as FiatDude so brilliantly said a few months ago.  Paraphrased...  "if you are still there when the light is green...you are LATE"
Chew on that.

Peace

exactly. same then as today. nothing different

[Shane Noone]

Most important to use your hand brake to "load" the gearbox before blasting off the line (let the clutch out a bit while your staged with the hand brake pulled up a bit and your thumb holding down the button...you'll feel the car pull down in back).  Running 165 X 15's, I remember 20lbs of air pressure and coming off the line about 5000 rpm, seeing the tach jump to 7000 (tire spin) then lowering a few hundred rpm (grab) before climbing back to 7000 and the shift to second gear.  I know those 205/70's look cool and all, but I feel you'd be more prone to trans breakage with your engine size running big tires.  Just my $.02...there are lots of other opinions here, I'm sure!  Good luck

Sarge, when you talk about coming off the line at about 5000 rpm's with pre-loaded box / clutch bite point, do you increase the rpm's to about 5000 whilst waiting and hold there until you release the clutch all the way by either slipping the clutch in or sidestepping.......................or are you blipping the rpm's up around 5000 and then slipping or sidestepping the clutch ?

Launch techniques and running gear combo's are so critical and I have tried many and never come to a tried and tested best technique for launching due to other variables. Such a nightmare but so critical as it will stop you realising the full potential of your ride if you can't get it right.

I currently have what should easily be a high 11 second ride but so far mid 12's is the best I can muster :/ Practise and seat time is invaluable and I totally agree with you guys talking about driving your car so much that you know it so well it's like a part of you and also makes for consistent fastest ET's you cam get with the given combo.

[Fasterbrit]

I have a very simple method of handbrake release to make sure when I launch and let go of the handbrake it doesn't stay on... I simply gaffer tape the push button down so that it can't engage the ratchet mechanism. Very simple, effective an costs zero moolah

[dannyboy]

i just held in the button and drilled a hole through handle and button and when racing push a split pin in the hole works a treat 

[Zündfunke]

This is my little helper. Old fashioned but effective.
Press the button...put in the splint pin...and pull the brake at the upper arm.
The upper arm is closer to me and I don´t hit the splint pin with my hand.

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[BeetleBug]

Was not a line lock available for the old guys?

I cant figure out why you would or should use the handbrake leaving the rest of the car unloaded in the launch.

-BB-