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« on: July 29, 2008, 18:58:25 pm » |
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Whats the real deal with aftermarket 36 hp dog house shrouds? We know the Scat offering fits decent and is reported to work pretty well.
But then Bugpack lists a 36r, and CB Perf. and other vendors list them for sale.
Are the Scats different than others? Hard to imagine there are that many different ones being produced, but ya never know. My point is, Im shopping now, and knowing is half the battle.
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Mike H.
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 19:03:52 pm » |
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I ran a Scat on my S/F engine, becuase the VW one would not clear carburetors. I had no issues with fins falling out, like you may have heard about. The fit was good. Only problem was the Berg linkage brace. I got rid of it in favor of the VW shroud though since I went back to VW cylinder heads and Skat trak style IDA manifolds. BTW I ran some no name 36hp style on my old 2054 in 1990, and that was the coolest running engine in my car, ever. I'm not saying any more about that!  |
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2008, 02:20:49 am » |
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I have been running a scat housing with no problems - but i have a baja - a Cal baja - engine runs very cool  |
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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2008, 02:26:56 am » |
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Thanks for the input guys. I hate working on my Kads with a VW d/h shroud, I can't imagine when there's a real set of carbs in there. Gotta have that extra room.
Now I just have to figure out where to get a Scat job. Haven't seen any of the sites with shrouds actually list them as such.
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Sarge
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2008, 05:13:35 am » |
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You could always go with an early (round top with indentation) 40hp shroud if you added an external oil cooler. I have a 356 Porsche cooler under mine and it gets the job done pretty good without an extra cooler (though I'd like the extra in the summer months). If you go the Porsche cooler route, you will have to do some mock-ups with clay and a little light bashing inside the shroud to get the fit, but it's worth it. Just another idea to consider.
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2008, 12:37:26 pm » |
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That's an interesting idea, Sarge. I'll keep it in mind.
What's up with the 356 cooler? I think I just saw someone else talking about using one. Are they alloy, or...? I'm definetly going to include an external cooler as well.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2008, 12:51:30 pm » |
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The 356 Porsche cooler has a lot more cooling fins then the stock, early style VW cooler and uses 8mm studs to hold it down. The main drawback is that they're rather expensive and hard to find these days. I guess I'm just Old School...I've never had a dog-house on any of my stuff.
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« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2008, 12:54:45 pm » |
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When I saw the P-word my first thought was "expensive."  P.S. What are you doing up so early??? Its not even 5:00 a.m. out there yet! |
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2008, 13:35:06 pm » |
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P.S. What are you doing up so early??? Its not even 5:00 a.m. out there yet!
Actually, I'm still in bed.....    hey, WTF happened??that's NOT the photo I downloaded...f$@#in' computers |
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2008, 14:00:19 pm » |
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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2008, 14:03:23 pm » |
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That makes more sense...sleep two hours, get up to whiz, awake for two hours on the internet, sleep for two more hours, get up to whiz, awake for two hours on the internet...
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 16:37:35 pm » |
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Anybody can tell me who sells the Scat product? Been searching and seriously can't find one. If Scat's site lists dealers, they've hidden it very well because I can't find it!
Sorry to be a pest, but...
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 17:29:12 pm » |
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Anybody can tell me who sells the Scat product? Been searching and seriously can't find one. If Scat's site lists dealers, they've hidden it very well because I can't find it!
Sorry to be a pest, but...
call Dave Greiner @ 714 538 5979 tell him "old man cam" guy sent you |
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2008, 18:02:01 pm » |
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Thanks Jim, I'll call Dave.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 23:47:02 pm » |
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Hey sarge I was just looking at a fan shroud with part of a center pull linkage spot welded to it , It looks factory is that a 356 fan shroud your talking about? or if any body else knows anything about them. do they work any better than stock 36 hp shroud.
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2008, 02:40:27 am » |
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Yeah, that sounds like a 356 / 912 shroud. You'd have to do some serious customizing to get that to work. The shroud I'm talking about came on a 40 hp bus from around 1962 or so...it is round like a 36 hp shroud but has the square indentation at the top.
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2008, 03:37:32 am » |
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thanks sarge, It's was weird, I read your post this morning and later today I was at a friends shop looking at one. I had never looked at 356 fan shroud before. just thought they were same as vw 36 hp
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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2008, 04:49:52 am » |
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Its an early 40 HP Stale Air Shroud it came on Type 1's to see picture below of my Motor it has the stale air 40 HP fan housing the difference between this shroud and the 36 HP is the indention at the top and it is indented at the bottom to fit a 40 HP and newer case the Original 36 HP shroud has to be notched out at the bottom to fit the case
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2008, 05:14:28 am » |
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I bought my 36hp dog house shroud from CB. I'm pretty sure it's a Scat unit.
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2008, 05:21:28 am » |
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P.S. What are you doing up so early??? Its not even 5:00 a.m. out there yet!
Actually, I'm still in bed..... hey, WTF happened??that's NOT the photo I downloaded...f$@#in' computers PLEASE tell me you're not the one that snapped that picture! |
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« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2008, 06:59:12 am » |
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Hi,
To me they are all produced in the same factory. I bought a CB first and noticed that the holes for the generator were drilled wrong(and thats a problem when you have a berg carb commando), I than bougth a scat and it had the same problem, so I modified it.
Regards,
Philip
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« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2008, 13:41:23 pm » |
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Thanks for the info. I will also be running Berg linkage, so I know I have to "corrective" work to do before it receives final finishing.
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2008, 00:50:14 am » |
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There are DEFINITELY more than one manufacturer. Iīd say at least 3. Scatīs and CSPīs being the best.
STAY AWAY from the models and cool tin for that matter that JP group distributes. Absoulute disaster IMO.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2008, 19:39:37 pm » |
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There are DEFINITELY more than one manufacturer. Iīd say at least 3. Scatīs and CSPīs being the best.
STAY AWAY from the models and cool tin for that matter that JP group distributes. Absoulute disaster IMO.
T
Good to know,because here where we live in Croatia all parts that are not genuine,come from JP group,and their performance parts suck. This is why we have to order everything overseas. |
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