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SlingShot
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« on: August 02, 2008, 00:35:46 am »

My goal 2 months ago was to have my car (67 Beetle) racing in Vegas. Now there are only 2 months to go and I still haven't made much progress. My schedule has opened up so I think it may be possible to still make it happen. I have never built a motor of this caliber but I don't doubt my skills, just my knowledge. I still however would love to have input from you guys in hope that I will be cruising down the 1/4 in Vegas.

The goal is a 2276cc n/a pushing 200 hp on pump, 10:1.

Here is what I have so far.

AS 21, full serviced by Brother Mach Shop
Okrasa 82mm, Porsche rod journal crank
Mahle Main bearings
Carrillo rods(no rod bearings)
12 lbs Fly wheel, gland nut
Magnum Straight Cuts
SLR VW 130 Cam-108LC/ @ valve- .585 lift / .312 duration
Dual thrust cam bearings
SLR lifters
DDS oil pump (not sure what size, I think 30mm)
94mm Cima mahle p&c's
Berg 3.5 sump
Stock 10mm Studs
Scat 1.4 rockers
Scat Tracks
48 Ida's
356 oil cooler w/an external cooler w/fan pack
36 horse shroud
I have (what I was told was a) berg disk made by Sachs and a Kennedy stage 1 pp

What I plan on getting:

Mantton tapered push rods (option/ maybe HD alum push rods)
Steve Tims Sig. welded race heads 42x37 valves
Total seal 2nd ring
Teflon coating on the piston skirts???
A1 1 3/4 exhaust

I plan on Pre assembling the motor complete, then final assembly. Break in cam on an engine stand. Hopefully take the motor to get dyno tuned, throw it in the car,car on the trailer, then Vegas Baby.

Give me your input guys, I would appreciate it.






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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2008, 00:57:41 am »

Sounds like a nice combination. It shouldn't be too hard to make it to Vegas, provided that the rest of the car is ready to go.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2008, 01:52:48 am »

The car was a running driving car before I bought it. I bought it minus the engine. The car shouldn't need much, probably just brakes and some little stuff.
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2008, 02:15:52 am »


I've always dug this car.

Just do it.
You guys have come a really long way in a very short time.  If I lived closer, I'd probably be divorced and sleeping on somebody's couch.
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 07:44:56 am »

I told you before, I LOVE that car!!
Good luck on the engine build
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 09:02:35 am »

One piece of advise I can make half drunk at 1:02am.... BERG LASH CAPS. See you at 8am.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 12:19:36 pm »


I've always dug this car.

Just do it.
You guys have come a really long way in a very short time.  If I lived closer, I'd probably be divorced and sleeping on somebody's couch.

Sweet ride Grin
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2008, 13:06:14 pm »

waouwwwwwwww ex johnny salgados ride  Shocked Shocked nice car
love it  Cool
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2008, 15:38:49 pm »

yep, very cool car!
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2008, 16:16:51 pm »

That is one sharp lookin' car! I love 5 lug centerlines.
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2008, 16:40:45 pm »

Nice Car Just Need to Put your OG BRM's on it and put M&H's on the centerlines
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2008, 21:30:08 pm »

One piece of advise I can make half drunk at 1:02am.... BERG LASH CAPS. See you at 8am.

Berg lash caps... In stock. Cool

Nice Car Just Need to Put your OG BRM's on it and put M&H's on the centerlines

I can't wait for the BRM's to be fitted, but they still need to be detailed, motor needs to happen first. I also have a set of M&H's in stock, so I'm good there Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2008, 23:04:24 pm »

One piece of advise I can make half drunk at 1:02am.... BERG LASH CAPS. See you at 8am.

Berg lash caps... In stock. Cool

Nice Car Just Need to Put your OG BRM's on it and put M&H's on the centerlines

I can't wait for the BRM's to be fitted, but they still need to be detailed, motor needs to happen first. I also have a set of M&H's in stock, so I'm good there Smiley
Here A picture of what it will look like Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2008, 20:08:43 pm »

Pretty close...
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2008, 22:51:42 pm »

johnny salgados looker is nice in its own right.dont change it too much Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2008, 23:15:28 pm »

Looks like you're going to be having a couple of wrench sessions between now and October. Let me know when you start and I try and make it over to help. It's gonna be a sa-weet ride!!
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« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2008, 02:07:10 am »

Spent last night checking my main bearings. I started by installing bearings then torquing the 6 12mm nuts down to 34 ft lbs, then the 2 8mm ( #4 bearing) to 18 ft lbs. Checked the bearings with a dial bore, #2 (split) bearing was out of round .0025 !, all other bearings were round within a .001. I noticed I could see light beetween the upper and lower (#2) saddles. I lapped the ends of the bearings,  that brought the roundness down to .0004. So here are my #'s I think my bearings are a little too tight, not to sure how to fix it? Maybe a hone? What do you think?

Main Bearings trq 35ft lbs:
#1- 2.1671 #2- 2.1656 - 2.166 #3- 2.167 #4- 1.577

Crankshaft Mains:
#1- 2.1644 #2- 2.1645 #3- 2.1644- 2.1646 #4- 1.574
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2008, 18:38:07 pm »


It looks amazing!


Carrillo rods(no rod bearings)

Give me your input guys, I would appreciate it.



Hmmm, I would use rod bearings. The engines tend to work for more than 5 seconds if you use them.  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2008, 20:34:47 pm »





Here is what I HAVE so far.

AS 21, full serviced by Brother Mach Shop
Okrasa 82mm, Porsche rod journal crank
Mahle Main bearings
Carrillo rods(no rod bearings)
12 lbs Fly wheel, gland nut
Magnum Straight Cuts
SLR VW 130 Cam-108LC/ @ valve- .585 lift / .312 duration
Dual thrust cam bearings
SLR lifters
DDS oil pump (not sure what size, I think 30mm)
94mm Cima mahle p&c's
Berg 3.5 sump
Stock 10mm Studs
Scat 1.4 rockers
Scat Tracks
48 Ida's
356 oil cooler w/an external cooler w/fan pack
36 horse shroud
I have (what I was told was a) berg disk made by Sachs and a Kennedy stage 1 pp

Smart ASS !  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2008, 22:30:08 pm »

 Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2008, 18:04:02 pm »

J.Salgado's old car is my favourite black 67. you are a lucky man,i remember when it was advertised on the cal-look forum...you snapped it up fast ! good for you and good luck in Vegas
p.s i tried to talk H67 (black 67 on brms posted by Shubee) into running centerlines when he was changing the beam in his car,but he wussed out  Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2008, 20:15:49 pm »

Thanks for the props. Vegas will be fun if the car makes it or not. It's lookin a little unlikley, now that the bearings are giving me grief.
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2008, 21:49:28 pm »

An areospace machinist should never build an engine.





































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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2008, 06:51:41 am »

Took the case to Steve Holingsworth  @ VW performance, and he confirmed the case was warped. I made a call to Brothers Mach, They said sorry, and the would take care of me. Looks like Vegas will not happen, but O well that is life some times. I will keep you guys up to date. Thanks for you help and input.
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« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2008, 04:55:11 am »

What? That's bullshit, we're not giving up on this yet.
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« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2008, 05:07:54 am »

No kidding! There's still plenty of time. Some of my fondest VW memories are of the last minute thrashing to make to to a race.
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« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2008, 05:21:21 am »

Spent last night checking my main bearings. I started by installing bearings then torquing the 6 12mm nuts down to 34 ft lbs, then the 2 8mm ( #4 bearing) to 18 ft lbs. Checked the bearings with a dial bore, #2 (split) bearing was out of round .0025 !, all other bearings were round within a .001. I noticed I could see light beetween the upper and lower (#2) saddles. I lapped the ends of the bearings,  that brought the roundness down to .0004. So here are my #'s I think my bearings are a little too tight, not to sure how to fix it? Maybe a hone? What do you think?

Main Bearings trq 35ft lbs:
#1- 2.1671 #2- 2.1656 - 2.166 #3- 2.167 #4- 1.577

Crankshaft Mains:
#1- 2.1644 #2- 2.1645 #3- 2.1644- 2.1646 #4- 1.574
Rimco use to fix Warped case's  They pull the center studs and deck both sides then add a shim torq case and run the linebore bar back thew it .
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« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2008, 07:30:23 am »

Steve has the case, he is going to try and fix it. Either way it won't be the foundation for this engine.
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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2008, 00:16:41 am »

Steve has the case, he is going to try and fix it. Either way it won't be the foundation for this engine.

Your high ! The AS-21 is in a box on a ups truck on it's way back to Brothers. They will do all the machine work I paid for on a different case, I'm thinking of going with a brand new AS-41, so hopefully I will have no more problems (fingers crossed).
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2008, 00:58:45 am »

Steve has the case, he is going to try and fix it. Either way it won't be the foundation for this engine.

Your high ! The AS-21 is in a box on a ups truck on it's way back to Brothers. They will do all the machine work I paid for on a different case, I'm thinking of going with a brand new AS-41, so hopefully I will have no more problems (fingers crossed).


Ohhh yeah. My bad. Plans changed, what, at least a dozen times Saturday?! I can't keep up with you! Tongue

I thought AssHull was going to take the AS21 back with him???
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