Oil Cooler and Torque Bar errrrr it dont fit!!!! help

[Fastbrit]

I didn't come up with the system I use , Paul Hamilton did . I have just modified it to make it look more hardcore , and less belt and braces .

Using a similar system Keith , did you suffer many breakages when you were racing ?  If my memory serves me right , I think you told me you hadn't ?

Breakages? Nah, I just blew two ring and pinions apart! Call that a breakage? Pah! In fairness, neither could be attributed to the mounts. One was over-exuberance on my part (er, showing off in front of Super VW offices...) and the other was a result of reusing that same case.   

[ESH]

Comparisons between Hamilton's car and The Cabrio are pointless. Breakages? It's a question of weight and power and in both these key areas the two cars are very different. With respect to the various solutions and their relevance to the initial enquiry here Paul's version of the system is joined to the cage (as you yourself point out) and that makes it completely different and for that reason any comparison to the application in a street car where the system is not joined to a cage is a waste of pixels.

It's simple, this thread was about CSP's system, it works and can be mounted with a cooler. regardless of the type of mountings there is a very good example of a clean installation in a 12 second street car earlier in the thread. As with all of their stuff it is a quality piece offering both form and most importantly function. I will put a CSP set up in my car at the same time as the gearbox is done, I'm not sure that I'll need it but it's not like it's going to wreck the car or anything.

With Mike Sylvester's car there is probably a simpler solution to his problem? Both our cars are a similar weight and he's run a 13.7 (I think?) whilst I've done a 13.6 so we're in the same ballpark. I have no hop thanks to a ten buck solution that runs as well on the street as it does on the strip. Every launch has been super smooth since this solution was adopted. I'm sure you'll be able to fix Mike up with something similar. I'd have to say I haven't ever given it any real work off of the line though which is why I'm putting in a CSP when the box comes out.

In your numerous posts replying my initial one you make some other points, if it makes you happy then why not and yes I did read your other post in the Gasser thread and no, I won't be having a beer with you any time, ever, thanks!

 

[Fastbrit]

Something I'm intrigued about is that the Chop-Top was a heavy car (2000lbs), ran stock torsion bar rubbers (well-worn ones at that), had simple front and rear solid mounts, a crappy traction bar, bus snubbers and ancient Koni shocks yet never suffered wheel hop on slicks or radials and never broke a single transmission component in its Type 1-based box (the casing of which had already done a couple of seasons in No Mercy). Did I ever bother about preloading the trans against the handbrake? Only in as much as I used to shallow stage and generally crept the car slowly forward while waiting for the yellow (never noticed until someone pointed it out!). Can't help thinking that maybe allowing everything to move a little saves on breakages! By making everything very rigid, the problem is always going to be transferred down the line to the final weakest link. I really don't know, but I'm not 100 per cent convinced by the CSP solution as wheel hop is not a problem I ever suffered from. Guess I was lucky...

[Jon]

There are many factors causing and curing wheel hop, naming all the combinations would take some time.  But all CSP installations are not the same either. The upper mounting arms are not welded when you get it. If you don't cut the body around the shock mounts you could end up with a big leverage arm in to the shock mount.
BTW the shock mounts are also bolted to the body just a few cm's from the shocks. 

[too old for this]

Comparisons between Hamilton's car and The Cabrio are pointless. Breakages? It's a question of weight and power and in both these key areas the two cars are very different. With respect to the various solutions and their relevance to the initial enquiry here Paul's version of the system is joined to the cage (as you yourself point out) and that makes it completely different and for that reason any comparison to the application in a street car where the system is not joined to a cage is a waste of pixels.

It's simple, this thread was about CSP's system, it works and can be mounted with a cooler. regardless of the type of mountings there is a very good example of a clean installation in a 12 second street car earlier in the thread. As with all of their stuff it is a quality piece offering both form and most importantly function. I will put a CSP set up in my car at the same time as the gearbox is done, I'm not sure that I'll need it but it's not like it's going to wreck the car or anything.

With Mike Sylvester's car there is probably a simpler solution to his problem? Both our cars are a similar weight and he's run a 13.7 (I think?) whilst I've done a 13.6 so we're in the same ballpark. I have no hop thanks to a ten buck solution that runs as well on the street as it does on the strip. Every launch has been super smooth since this solution was adopted. I'm sure you'll be able to fix Mike up with something similar. I'd have to say I haven't ever given it any real work off of the line though which is why I'm putting in a CSP when the box comes out.

In your numerous posts replying my initial one you make some other points, if it makes you happy then why not and yes I did read your other post in the Gasser thread and no, I won't be having a beer with you any time, ever, thanks!

lets not get personal on here hey.......it,s a thread about spence,s oil cooler,not who,s having a beer with who,I,ve read the thread,and no-ones getting personal,so please ,if you want handbags,take it to volkzone

[jick]

spencer's threads always end up like that...he's a nuisance.

[spennyp]

spencer's threads always end up like that...he's a nuisance.

  thats right i'm a right trouble maker

Well folks my final set up has been thought through...i'll be running a csp torque bar, traction bar, limit straps, solid mounted front and rear tranny and finally a solid mid mount.......many thanks all for the advise on here.......i'll need some advise when i finally acheive my goal and hit the strip...wish me luck folks i'm actually a little nervous....i'm getting there with the car its by no means a minter but i'm starting to get excited again about it 

[alfie the monster]

I was going to quote and modify your post in a comical fashion Spenny, I could see the pun a mile away about munters and getting excited 

[spennyp]

I was going to quote and modify your post in a comical fashion Spenny, I could see the pun a mile away about munters and getting excited 

you sick puppy 

[Jon]

Lets keep this place a friendly one!
Keep it respectfull at all times!

Thanks

Jon Hroar Ulstad

[Diederick/DVK]

Can't help thinking that maybe allowing everything to move a little saves on breakages! By making everything very rigid, the problem is always going to be transferred down the line to the final weakest link./quote]

this is so true! a friend of a relative drives international rallyes in a volvo amazon, and he can take speed bumps at 120km/h i've been told. apart from many crazy stories i will spare you from. but that father of my best friend has indeed told me that even though his volvo has every rubber upgraded to urethane and all possible stabiliser bars installed, that cars needs revision every some months. all the unexpected parts break as the tough rubbers only transfer vibrations and forces onto weak parts.
nevertheless, the systems shown look pretty well fabricated!!!

p.s. out of own interest from what point onwards does one require such an oil cooler?

[H67bug]

lol! Just as the JG54 mob bully me into submission in Bitburg and wear me down after 74 Bitgurgers you all go girly and stop solid mounting.  . Oh well I always thought conversation on thee 4 hour journeys was over rated and I enyoy the vibration! 

For info, if peple are running cages and that cage mounts to the back floor in some way you can take the solid mounting from the cage where it bolts through the floor rather than drill the floor if you need to. Might not be quite as solid I dont know,  but it is a fairly elegant way of getting close with no cutting on a completed car and the inside remains unchanged (for those car tarts out there!)

Spenny, dont forget to post some pics as you go!

[Peter Roberts]

lol! Just as the JG54 mob bully me into submission in Bitburg and wear me down after 74 Bitgurgers you all go girly and stop solid mounting.  . Oh well I always thought conversation on thee 4 hour journeys was over rated and I enyoy the vibration! 

For info, if peple are running cages and that cage mounts to the back floor in some way you can take the solid mounting from the cage where it bolts through the floor rather than drill the floor if you need to. Might not be quite as solid I dont know,  but it is a fairly elegant way of getting close with no cutting on a completed car and the inside remains unchanged (for those car tarts out there!)

Spenny, dont forget to post some pics as you go!

I said about solid mounting yours , as you only have the intermediate mount on yours , don't you ?

If so the 2 front rubber blocks aren't enough , probably fine for street driving , but not enough for drag racing .

In the Hot VW's article about fitting a berg 5-Speed , they say that many people have fitted ali blocks to improve the quality of the shifting .

I have modded a intermediate mount for Max's car , and copied the Berg method , and added an extra mounting , so there are 3 rubber blocks going forwards , plus the two intermediate mount blocks , giving a total of 5 rubber blocks holding the nose of the gearbox , hopefully this will improve the quality of shifting for street driving , plus we have the option of fitting ali blocks at the track for racing .

I have put pic's on the Blog , so you can see what I mean .

[Peter Roberts]

Comparisons between Hamilton's car and The Cabrio are pointless.

Indeed they are , One car runs 9's with no drama and without big wheelies 

The other runs very low 10's , pulls massive wheelies , goes all over the track , even leaving the track at DAS 

Breakages?

Indeed again , the 9 second car doesn't break engines or gearboxes 

The other car does 

With respect to the various solutions and their relevance to the initial enquiry here Paul's version of the system is joined to the cage (as you yourself point out) and that makes it completely different and for that reason any comparison to the application in a street car where the system is not joined to a cage is a waste of pixels.

Paul's system , and my version of it , do not need to be joined to a cage , my system bolts through the rear inner wheel arches , and is more than adequate for a high 11 , low 12 second car . You can join the cage to it at a later date , if one gets fitted . That's the beauty of the system , it lets you develop the car , without breaking stuff along the way .

It's hardly a waste of pixels , showing tried and tested solutions to problems , is it ? I have had many email questions from forum users , that like my system 

I did read your other post in the Gasser thread and no, I won't be having a beer with you any time, ever, thanks!

That's a pity , I have tried several times to bury the hatchet between us  , in the interest of general Cal-look harmony , but you seem determined to perpeptuate  the bad feeling , which is a shame , but there seems to be nothing I can do about it 

[ESH]

Comparisons between Hamilton's car and The Cabrio are pointless.

Indeed they are , One car runs 9's with no drama and without big wheelies 

The other runs very low 10's , pulls massive wheelies , goes all over the track , even leaving the track at DAS 

Breakages?

Indeed again , the 9 second car doesn't break engines or gearboxes 

The other car does 

With respect to the various solutions and their relevance to the initial enquiry here Paul's version of the system is joined to the cage (as you yourself point out) and that makes it completely different and for that reason any comparison to the application in a street car where the system is not joined to a cage is a waste of pixels.

Paul's system , and my version of it , do not need to be joined to a cage , my system bolts through the rear inner wheel arches , and is more than adequate for a high 11 , low 12 second car . You can join the cage to it at a later date , if one gets fitted . That's the beauty of the system , it lets you develop the car , without breaking stuff along the way .

It's hardly a waste of pixels , showing tried and tested solutions to problems , is it ? I have had many email questions from forum users , that like my system 

I did read your other post in the Gasser thread and no, I won't be having a beer with you any time, ever, thanks!

That's a pity , I have tried several times to bury the hatchet between us  , in the interest of general Cal-look harmony , but you seem determined to perpeptuate  the bad feeling , which is a shame , but there seems to be nothing I can do about it 

I'm happy for people to draw their own conclusions about my attitude, that of Pete and the reality and relative merits of what has (and has not) been said.

 

[Peter Roberts]

That's fair enough Matt .

In return , I would like to state that I have no problem with the CSP set up , it works fine , when used in conjunction of a traction bar , and is a well made piece of equipment , from a company that makes quality parts .

I just prefer my way , that's all .

[H67bug]

Thanks Pete. I will let you take a look when I pop down as I dont really understand to be honest . I was only jesting about being forced to solid mount. I dont care- I am hardcore! 

[benssp]

 why don't you swap phone numbers and call each other?

Poor spence has given up and gone to the darkside(resto cal) now and has no need for this as he has a nice 1200 with pancake filter fitted

both cars are blisteringly quick and approach the problem of wheel hop in different ways. both ways work.

next to gay porn, arguing is the other thing that i don't like about the net.

let's keep it friendly on here

[benssp]

looks like i spent too long on that reply

[Tourist]

why don't you swap phone numbers and call each other?

Poor spence has given up and gone to the darkside(resto cal) now and has no need for this as he has a nice 1200 with pancake filter fitted

both cars are blisteringly quick and approach the problem of wheel hop in different ways. both ways work.

next to gay porn, arguing is the other thing that i don't like about the net.

let's keep it friendly on here

Erm, trying not to offend anyone on here , but how does a gentleman such as yourself Ben have knowledge of gay porn on the net?


Martin.

[benssp]

Erm, trying not to offend anyone on here , but how does a gentleman such as yourself Ben have knowledge of gay porn on the net?


Martin.

It's like Tampons, you know what they're for and where they go, but you choose to ignore them.............................when you use the ladies toilets

[spennyp]

Poor spence has given up and gone to the darkside(resto cal) now and has no need for this as he has a nice 1200 with pancake filter fitted

How bloody dare you !!!! ......pics when its done fellas honest 

[67Screamer]

I am hardcore! 

You are now you have taken that gay hemeroid helper off of your car.

 

[H67bug]

I am hardcore! 

You are now you have taken that gay hemeroid helper off of your car.

 

lol! .
Had a great time ripping today, wop wop!.. although the lack of down force did make me nervous

[too old for this]

I am hardcore! 

You are now you have taken that gay hemeroid helper off of your car.

 

lol! .
Had a great time ripping today, wop wop!.. although the lack of down force did make me nervous

easy solution, do like I do............eat more pies

[H67bug]

ALex , are you up and running now>?