bare bones, keeping it simple, getting back the the VW roots....
andrewlandon67:
Quote from: wolfswest on November 10, 2020, 15:29:35 pm
I just stumbled upon this old topic, got me thinkering... It seems that almost every "basic build" starts with a 1600 or 1641 base. Look at the Swedish 1600 challenge that's going on right now, great stuff!
Now, some of the engines built right there are next level stuff but to shift it back to the basic "sweet 16" or in Europe "sweet 18" :) engine: why does almost every build start with the 1600 base?
Is it because the 1300 DP isn't that common in the States? The cost of a 1600 cilinder/piston kit is the same as a 1300 or 1500 kit? Does that lousy 300cc really make the big difference in drivability? Or will the 300cc's be more forgiving if the balance of the whole engine isn't "right"? Or the old bigger is better kinda way of thinking, there is no replacement for displacement?
Look at the alfa romeo 105 series nord engines, the base model: a 1300 engine. Also a 60's, 70's design. It produces 90hp, makes plenty RPM, great sound. If you can create that package in a beetle which is a much lighter car then the alfa then you got yourself a sweet vintage balanced ride, no?
Okay, I'm talking about a car that can do everything, working heater, great mileage, long runs, short runs, a quick fun shopping run, fun ride on sunday, not too loud, not too harsh, family car that "hauls ass" with NO compromises on a budget Not your white knuckle 2276 only good for straights kinda ride...
My guess would be that the 1300 doesn't allow as much room for unshrouding the valves, even if they're small ones to really get it to breathe, as well as how the basic design of the VW engine is so heavily biased towards reliability and efficiency. I've had similar thoughts about those old Alfas with the little 1300cc motors just screaming away, while the VW 1300 was a tractor motor by comparison. I suppose with enough work you could probably get one to run almost as well as a hotrod 1600, but for the same reason we always wonder how it would run if it was a 1915 instead of a 1776, you'll probably find yourself wondering how it would have run if you'd sprung for the bigger P&Ls too. Ah, the curse of the modular engines...
BugBusBuggy:
Although I have a 2276 in my '68, I couldn't bring myself to part with the 1584cc VEGE recon motor that it replaced. I bought the VEGE in about 1997 and it's been pampered. I think it'll be the perfect base for a small 'fun' motor. One day. Nothing too major - I want to stick with 1584cc for nothing other than stubbornness, but as per some of the previous posts just add some 'get up and go'.
My thoughts were a hike in compression (happy to run on 98 octane fuel), balancing, lightening, something like a w120 cam, 2x DRLA36, carbs, a bit of head work, 009 dizzy and 1.5" exhaust. Shouldn't break the bank as I've got the base motor and carbs already, but but if I mate it all to a stock 1200 box it'll be plenry for some sub 75mph fun. I keep buying bits for this and I did have a 1200 g/box, then keep parting with them as the '68 always needs 'something'. My mrs suggested I should sell the 2276 to fund the build of the 1584!!! :o
BugBusBuggy:
Quote from: BugBusBuggy on November 12, 2020, 09:34:23 am
Although I have a 2276 in my '68, I couldn't bring myself to part with the 1584cc VEGE recon motor that it replaced. I bought the VEGE in about 1997 and it's been pampered. I think it'll be the perfect base for a small 'fun' motor. One day. Nothing too major - I want to stick with 1584cc for nothing other than stubbornness, but as per some of the previous posts just add some 'get up and go'.
My thoughts were a hike in compression (happy to run on 98 octane fuel), balancing, lightening, something like a w120 cam, 2x DRLA36, carbs, a bit of head work, 009 dizzy and 1.5" exhaust. Shouldn't break the bank as I've got the base motor and carbs already, but but if I mate it all to a stock 1200 box it'll be plenty for some sub 75mph fun. I keep buying bits for this and I did have a 1200 g/box, then keep parting with them as the '68 always needs 'something'. My mrs suggested I should sell the 2276 to fund the build of the 1584!!! :o
Rome:
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Is it because the 1300 DP isn't that common in the States?
Correct! The 1300 dual-port was never offered on any new engine in the USA! The 1300 was only installed in the Type 1 (Beetle, Ghia) for the 1966 model year, and that was the single-port head with 33 x 30 mm valves. For '67 Type 1, VW went to the 1500 single-port engine with the 35 x 32 mm valves, 1600 single-port for '70 and 1600 dual-port for '71 with the 35 x 32 mm valves. Those were the standard equipment engines. Unlike most European countries, the USA only received the most powerful of any engine choice.
Garrick Clark:
Hers a good combo
1776
Eurorace H Grind
40 dells
Standard heads and valve size
Standard ratio rockers
12.5 fly
009
GT gear box
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