Looks like a good one for somebody...

[Rick Meredith]

I think the VIN tag is still there. I know it was before the body work started I they didn't change that part of the body.. I'll have to look when I get home tonight.

[Sam K]

Bumpers are correct for a early, model the SB-12 Hella's give it away...

I still have the SB12 rings that were on my car but they're pretty beat up. Someday I'll spend the bucks to get them rechromed.

[stealth67vw]

One of my 67s is a December 1966 car and it has the sloped (67 only) over riders, SB-12 headlights, early sunvisors, and no side latch seats -West coast Oregon car. My other 67 is a May 1967 and came with all the later stuff.

[Rick Meredith]

-FYI-

The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690.  The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683.

Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats.

117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier.

[johnl]

-FYI-

The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690.  The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683.

Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats.

117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier.

So, if your rear bumper is original to the build that disagrees with the "Garwood" documentation.  There has to be an answer out there if one is willing to look long enough.

[javabug]

Looks like it is time to ask the worker that installed the bumper at the factory. 

[.]

There are so many variables that could account for the discrepencies.
We've all heard the stories of interiors being switched at the dealer when new to match a buyers taste.
Perhaps a bumper was damaged during shipping and was replaced at the dealer with one they had in stock, even if not the correct bowed overrider design.
etc.,etc.,etc......

[ST DRAGN]

Like Deano mention, there are 3 changes during 67 builds.

66-67 early models August and September, October, November, December where consider mid year 67 , The late 67 is Jan-July 1967.

The main question is how to truly define each quarters, without have the VW manufacture documents, Because we all know each Dealer was not consist with each others..( options radios/antenna's/key door handles/etc,)

Perhaps, The Garwood was using chassis numbers to identify the changes?

[Rick Meredith]

-FYI-

The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690.  The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683.

Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats.

117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier.

So, if your rear bumper is original to the build that disagrees with the "Garwood" documentation.  There has to be an answer out there if one is willing to look long enough.

I bought the car 10 years old and it was very original so I have no reason to believe that it had been changed.

There are so many variables that could account for the discrepencies.
We've all heard the stories of interiors being switched at the dealer when new to match a buyers taste.
Perhaps a bumper was damaged during shipping and was replaced at the dealer with one they had in stock, even if not the correct bowed overrider design.
etc.,etc.,etc......

Another interesting detail on my car is that there was a block off plate where the '67 antenna should be and an earlier style antenna mounted on the driver's side quarter panel. I assume that the car was shipped w/o a radio and the dealer installed it what they had available.

Assuming that Garwood was correct, and my bumper was damaged in shipping, I doubt there would be "sloped over rider" bumpers in stock for a replacement.

[Rick Meredith]

Geez... were sounding like Vintage Geeks  

[ST DRAGN]

-FYI-

The sloped over riders started with chassis number 117171365 per Garwood Volume Two page 690.  The seat backrest release were incorporated into the backrest at chassis number 117425908 per Garwood Volume Two page 683.

Checked my VIN. My car is a September 1966 build which is prior to 117171365 that Garwood cited and it has the sloped over riders, SB-12s and non-side release seats.

117171365 is also a September 1966 car but mine was about 30,000 units earlier.

So, if your rear bumper is original to the build that disagrees with the "Garwood" documentation.  There has to be an answer out there if one is willing to look long enough.

I bought the car 10 years old and it was very original so I have no reason to believe that it had been changed.

There are so many variables that could account for the discrepencies.
We've all heard the stories of interiors being switched at the dealer when new to match a buyers taste.
Perhaps a bumper was damaged during shipping and was replaced at the dealer with one they had in stock, even if not the correct bowed overrider design.
etc.,etc.,etc......

Another interesting detail on my car is that there was a block off plate where the '67 antenna should be and an earlier style antenna mounted on the driver's side quarter panel. I assume that the car was shipped w/o a radio and the dealer installed it what they had available.

Assuming that Garwood was correct, and my bumper was damaged in shipping, I doubt there would be "sloped over rider" bumpers in stock for a replacement.

Rick- the dealer installed the radio, antenna. (correct >dealer installed it what they had available.)

[Zach Gomulka]

My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff!

[Cornpanzer]

My German delivery early 67 also had the stainless plug in the cowl with an antenna screwed into the quarter panel. Defies logic doesnt it.

[johnl]

My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff!

I find nothing here "boring" but rather informative.  For years people have told me I need to get a life...   

[Rick Meredith]

My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff!

It would be interesting to see what the VIN number was on that car.

[Sam K]

My '67 also had the antenna plug on the a pillar and had a single mount antenna on the left front 1/4 panel. I heard somewhere that all the U.S. market bugs from '67 and earlier had the side mirrors and radios installed at the dealership and the radios were an option so I always assume that was why my car was like that. As far as the assist straps, (or stirrups, as I called them ) mine are the earlier type with the horizontal screws.

[johnl]

I went back to the Samba link to review the car again.  If I'm reading this correctly the original ad was palaced in June and recently updated.  It has been viewed by 3690 people.  Should this info all be correct and the car is what it is suppose to be why hasn't it sold.  What am I missing here??   

[johnl]

My '67 also had the antenna plug on the a pillar and had a single mount antenna on the left front 1/4 panel. I heard somewhere that all the U.S. market bugs from '67 and earlier had the side mirrors and radios installed at the dealership and the radios were an option so I always assume that was why my car was like that. As far as the assist straps, (or stirrups, as I called them ) mine are the earlier type with the horizontal screws.

Wait !!!  "Stirrups" and "horizontal screws"??  Now what kind of talk is that?   

[Zach Gomulka]

My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff!

It would be interesting to see what the VIN number was on that car.

117117279. Is it sad that I still know that?!

"Stirrups" is great! I always called them ankle straps, but I like stirrups better!

[Rick Meredith]

Ok so your car was about 25,000 before mine.

[Stephan S]

You '67 guys are weird.

[Stephan S]

 

[Rick Meredith]

Jealous! 

[deano]

I tried to contact this seller, and he won't return any meassages. Since that listing dates back to June, I think it is long gone, and he is too lazy to pull the ad...

[bugnut68]

You '67 guys are weird.

Lol! 

[Sam K]

My old '67 was a first week of September '66 car with SB12's, early seats, and early rear over riders. I too had the chrome plug in the ariel hole with a two post ariel mounted on the passenger side. Why would you do that?!?! When I swapped the roof with a donor from another Savannah Biege '67 I noticed that the visor clip mounts were different. There are also early and late '67 assist strap mounts. I'm sure you could write a long boring book on the mid year 67 stuff!

It would be interesting to see what the VIN number was on that car.

117117279. Is it sad that I still know that?!

"Stirrups" is great! I always called them ankle straps, but I like stirrups better!

That's not sad at all. I know my '67's VIN# by heart. As far as the stirrups go, I dated a rather long-legged girl in high school.... I learned that my stirrups were the earlier style when one of them tore and I had a hard time finding a replacement.

[Rick Meredith]

I guess I'm the other end of the spectrum. I've had my car since '77 and I don't I ever remember lookig at the vin. I certainly couldn't tell you what month it was built in. I did know it was an earlier build but that's about it.

[Sam K]

When i bought my car from my uncle in 1990, he had lost the title and he had owned the car so long that the state had purged their records. There was a lengthy paperwork process to get a new title and I had to write the VIN down so many times that it stuck in my memory.