confused 67

[Neil Davies]

A little off topic but still on '67's... how rare is a '67 1200 ragtop?

Very!

[Rennsurfer]

A little off topic but still on '67's... how rare is a '67 1200 ragtop?

Like Neil posted, very. Don't know about the engine availability for that model year. But I'm pretty sure you could still get a 1300cc in certain countries. But the cloth sunroof (ragtop) ended with the 1963 model year, unless I'm mistaken. 1964 models marked the beginning of the metal sliding sunroof.

[Neil Davies]

Mark, I don't know about '64-'66, but for some reason, the 1200 base model (painted handles, partial headliner, etc) was offered with the Golde ragtop in 1967! Kurt from Belgium has one (ruby red on original BRMs), there were a couple on the Channel Islands and that's about all I know of.

[Rennsurfer]

Mark, I don't know about '64-'66, but for some reason, the 1200 base model (painted handles, partial headliner, etc) was offered with the Golde ragtop in 1967! Kurt from Belgium has one (ruby red on original BRMs), there were a couple on the Channel Islands and that's about all I know of.

WOW! Further proving that VW did whatever they wanted, back then. A Golde ragtop on a '67? Amazing.

[Jim Ratto]

Mark Preisendorf, in the late 80's had a '67 standard with sliding cloth sunroof.

[Zach Gomulka]

When we were working on AssHull's '67 last weekend we noticed that it didn't have a hole on the dash (below and on the left of the radio delete plate) for the emergency flasher. I don't think I've seen another car without that... is it possible it was a european export I thought they all had emergency flashers??


And an old shot of my dash for comparison...

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

When we were working on AssHull's '67 last weekend we noticed that it didn't have a hole on the dash (below and on the left of the radio delete plate) for the emergency flasher. I don't think I've seen another car without that... is it possible it was a european export I thought they all had emergency flashers??


And an old shot of my dash for comparison...

Make sure you take those Tarpaper pieces out of the inside of the Doors  they are known for holding traping water and the Doors rust from the inside out.

[Zach Gomulka]

That shot was from a few weeks ago, the tar boards are already gone

[nicolas]

so there is a lot to learn about those beauties... so i keep learning every day.

Zach, the emergency flasherlights were not standard on european models i believe.

[speedwell]

Zach, the emergency flasherlights were not standard on european models i believe.

you're right nicolas  no european

[Donny B.]

Make sure you take those Tarpaper pieces out of the inside of the Doors  they are known for holding traping water and the Doors rust from the inside out.

Nothing rusts in Arizona.  You have to have water for things to rust....

[Zach Gomulka]

Zach, the emergency flasherlights were not standard on european models i believe.

you're right nicolas  no european

Cool! Thanks for the info Is there any other way to tell if it was in fact a euro car? It didn't have a steering column lock, the front fenders have upright headlights but they are aftermarket, and I think only one of the rears is original- anyway it has holes for US spec bumpers if it means anything by now Thanks again!

[Cornpanzer]

possibly canadian Zach.

[Cornpanzer]

My German spec 1300 67 had 4 lug drums, no flasher, the ignition built into the column with no writing on the cylinder bezel.  It had sloping headlamps and the front apron and original rear fenders were stamped for the overrider bumpers.

[Zach Gomulka]

His car was also 4 lug, disc brakes up front, but who knows if it was originally sold that way. Someone had also done us a favor and replaced the dual circut master with a single circut Weird stuff...

[Neil Davies]

My German spec 1300 67 had 4 lug drums, no flasher, the ignition built into the column with no writing on the cylinder bezel.  It had sloping headlamps and the front apron and original rear fenders were stamped for the overrider bumpers.

Those drums were replaced then Dave, The only 4-lug '67 was the European 1500 model, which was disc front.

[Sam K]

I briefly owned a '67 that I assumed was some kind of european export. It was four lug with disc brakes in the front and had sloping fenders that appeared to be original. There was no keyhole on the passenger's side door handle, it had no evidnece of holes for american spec bumpers or an emegency flasher switch either. The original engine was long gone by the time I got it, though.

[benssp]

where is the hazard switch positioned on a '67? looked at a few at the weekend and some have them just under the headlight switch and others had it by the ashtray.

p.s. anyone seen a '67 only cigarette lighter?picked a nos one up at EBI, i'll post a pic later

[Neil Davies]

I briefly owned a '67 that I assumed was some kind of european export. It was four lug with disc brakes in the front and had sloping fenders that appeared to be original. There was no keyhole on the passenger's side door handle, it had no evidnece of holes for american spec bumpers or an emegency flasher switch either. The original engine was long gone by the time I got it, though.

Yup, that sounds European, 1500 model with discs up front.

[Ivan]

In the USA there was one 1967 Bug - and it was as Shubee specified earlier in this thread.

In Europe there were three models offered:
The 1192cc 'Standard' model which was a basic car with five lug drums, 6 volt electrics, sloping headlights  and silver painted parts such as door handles and vent window frames. This model was the last VW Bug which could be factory ordered with a Golde ragtop.

Then there was the 1293cc 'Deluxe' this was also on five lug drums, had 6 volt eletrics, sloping headlights and Euro bumpers. You could order 'US Spec' or Export, to give them there correct title, bumpers as an optional extra at the time of ordering the car. My own '67 is a 1300 Deluxe.

Finally, there was the 1493cc 'New Hot 1500' which was the same as the 1300 Deluxe except for the engine, gearbox internals and four lug rear drum and front disc brakes. Again this had sloping headlights and 6 volt electrics.

No European '67s came with upright headlights - this was a US market feature.   

[Rennsurfer]

Ivan... thank you for explaining it all to us Yanks. I knew that 1967 was a weird year for European Beetles and the variations. I didn't know to what extent. Very informative.

[ST DRAGN]

In the USA there was one 1967 Bug - and it was as Shubee specified earlier in this thread.




Just to confuse you a little more:
 Technically speaking there was Two models of the USA 67 . The  early and  late model. The fun part is how to defines them correctly. The most obvious is the Vin numbers however the other items such examples as front seats, sun visor clips,  assist straps, SB-12 headlight rings, rear bumpers over riders, door handles. 3 style available. (early,mid,late) door lock knobs. gets a little trickery.

[Sam K]

My first '67, which is the one I still have was built on October 11, 1966. In addition to all the other "early '67" stuff, it didn't have reverse lights (but it was wired for them), it had white window knobs and chrome radio knobs.

[Zach Gomulka]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but radios were dealer installed. That is odd about the white knobs... mine was built in September and it has all black knobs.

[nicolas]

In the USA there was one 1967 Bug - and it was as Shubee specified earlier in this thread.

In Europe there were three models offered:
The 1192cc 'Standard' model which was a basic car with five lug drums, 6 volt electrics, sloping headlights  and silver painted parts such as door handles and vent window frames. This model was the last VW Bug which could be factory ordered with a Golde ragtop.

Then there was the 1293cc 'Deluxe' this was also on five lug drums, had 6 volt eletrics, sloping headlights and Euro bumpers. You could order 'US Spec' or Export, to give them there correct title, bumpers as an optional extra at the time of ordering the car. My own '67 is a 1300 Deluxe.

Finally, there was the 1493cc 'New Hot 1500' which was the same as the 1300 Deluxe except for the engine, gearbox internals and four lug rear drum and front disc brakes. Again this had sloping headlights and 6 volt electrics.

No European '67s came with upright headlights - this was a US market feature.   

sorry but i thought the 1500 67 had 12V electrics... but what do i know i own a type3 (there 67 had 12V for the first time and i always heard 67 beeltes had the same on the 1500) hope this confuses the topic not more.

[benssp]

67 is a strange year, I know there is a 67 only starter motor which is 12v for a 6v ring gear

[nicolas]

67 is a strange year, I know there is a 67 only starter motor which is 12v for a 6v ring gear

damn i needed one of those to get the engine with the 6V flywheel  for EBI2 running!! why do you tell this now!  still might want one 

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but radios were dealer installed. That is odd about the white knobs... mine was built in September and it has all black knobs.

On Radios The ones that Came With the Black 67 Rubber Knobs were Factory Installed,this goes for all Models Type 1,2,3, the Radio's with the Chrome Plastic Knobs Were Dealer Installed and were also sold over the Parts Counter,

[Rick Meredith]

67 is a strange year, I know there is a 67 only starter motor which is 12v for a 6v ring gear

Haven't heard this one before. US '67 had the std 12v flywheel with a 200mm clutch. Took a SR15X starter.

[Shubee2 (DSK)]

67 is a strange year, I know there is a 67 only starter motor which is 12v for a 6v ring gear

Thats a Bosch SR 13 X  is a 12Volt starter with a 6Volt  gear hard to find these days
                       Bosch SR 11 X   is a 6 Volt  180 mm Flywheel and Clutch
                       Bosch SR 15 X   is a 12 Volt 200 mm clutch and Pressure Plate
                       Bosch SR 17 X   is a 12 Volt 200mm self supporting Starter (Auto)
                       Bosch SR 14 X   is a 6 Volt Self Supporting Starter  6 Volt 180mm and  6 Volt 200mm Bus Flywheel also hard to find.