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Title: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Russell on March 29, 2015, 23:39:58 pm So just returned home from Volksworld 2015, and thankfully DFL turned up with some very hot cal look cars, very tickled with the Yukon yellow sedan... Excellent effort guys. much appreciated, thanks.
I had hoped for more cal look inside and apart from Dirks Red car and Ricky's Black 67 there wasn't much more in our favourite style, I realise the BOS winner was a cal look style car but to be honest I didn't notice it, again too many cars crushed together at the entrance. A special mentioned to Volksworld's Steve's blue resto cal car, very nice indeed. Well done. Ron Flemings Cal Look Talk today was both exciting and excellent and as only Ron can tell it like he does. He did have a full house for his talk which was nice, a little disappointed he got rushed off at the end as the next talk was due to start, with only 5 people in attendance.... The Karman Ghia museum display was very cool also. If anyone has any pictures, stick up here please. PS, Is the JG54 Green Hearts club still on the go as I had expected so see a line up from them also ? or did I miss it ??? Anyway nice weekend catching up with friends. Title: Re: Post by: RichardinNZ on March 30, 2015, 04:48:44 am Yes photos would be great! I missed Alex Defcon3 Taylor when I was 'home' recently but he'd told me he was working on finishing a Cal Looker for the show? Anyone have any photos of it?
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: stretch on March 30, 2015, 07:54:42 am Shame you missed Dude's Best of Show winning car it is amazing !!! I'm slightly biased because I have seen this car evolve / built over the last 10 years (approx? Dude?), but, I can say it was definitely the car of the show for me.
We had a great time yesterday & thoroughly enjoyed the day. I agree Ron's talk was great. Once again congrats Dude, great to see a cal look car win the biggest prize at the show. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Rocket Ron on March 30, 2015, 10:29:41 am We were talking about this on the way home on Saturday and we agree that for the 40th anniversary of cal look they didn't seem to have a real focal point for cal look cars. Surely they should have been displayed in the area as you walked in. The DFL have to be thanked for making the trip with their cars and Neil's best of show was stunning.
We were delighted to see a good number of newly built beetles being shown which have been thin in the ground of late. Had a long chat with Ricky with his black 67 which has been one of my all time favourite cars, is it really 20 years since it appeared on volksworld, wow I feel old. Have to say the cut away 47 bug display was super cool and the show had a nice vibe about it this year. Unfortunately we missed Rons talk but nice to see £1000 being raised for the brads cancer charity when they auctioned off the cutaway engine on Saturday afternoon. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Neil Davies on March 30, 2015, 12:14:21 pm Russell raised a good point - the worst thing about Dude's car was the position it was in in the hall. It should have been on a turntable in the middle of the cal look display! Some of the cars downstairs were crammed in too - Matt Dolby's Mexi bug race car was in a dreadful spot where you couldn't see most of the car, and the Pro Turbo style Notch was just tucked up a corner.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: vwhelmot on March 30, 2015, 13:11:31 pm Agreed, why that pro Notch was stuffed into a corner downstairs was a complete mistake. That car had so many detail touches it needed to be upstairs at least. Also agree why they have to stuff so much in to the entrance hall, the show cars (which is what the people pay to come to see) were crammed into a small space and then there was a load of room taken up in on the left as you walked in by a bloody couple of T5 campers?? The cut out split bug was pretty much on its own, could that area not be used for more of your companies selling modern camper stuff and that leaves the main halls for the real show cars? I haven't been for ten years and felt it was lacking to be honest, but that just maybe me.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Deanodynosaurs on March 30, 2015, 14:43:09 pm Was Dirks car the red 67 ragtop on genuine BRM's? I absolutely loved that car, it was just right in every way. :)
Agree with what Neil said, Matt Dolby's car is stunning but the way it was shown downstairs really didn't show it off great. Saying that i think the best picture we will see of that car is at the track at speed! :) Volksworld Steve Blue resto cal car was amazing also, the attention to detail on the car was to a level and beyond!. The detail in the engine bay was phenomenal. :) Dude 8) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Prowagen on March 30, 2015, 17:14:44 pm Congrat Dude on the BoS win, well deserved, I know that 58 has been a labour of love!
Would also love to see some links to pics or pics in this thread as Volksworld used to be one of my fav's when in the UK. Rob. Title: Re: Post by: beetletom on March 30, 2015, 17:56:10 pm Yes photos would be great! I missed Alex Defcon3 Taylor when I was 'home' recently but he'd told me he was working on finishing a Cal Looker for the show? Anyone have any photos of it? spoke to his brother, he said he didn't go in the end. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: speedwell on March 30, 2015, 18:47:04 pm Was Dirks car the red 67 ragtop on genuine BRM's? I absolutely loved that car, it was just right in every way. :) NO DIRK IS A MEMBER OF DFL , AND HAVE A SEPIA BROWN 67 ? KURT IS THE OWNER OF THE RED RAGTOP 67 Agree with what Neil said, Matt Dolby's car is stunning but the way it was shown downstairs really didn't show it off great. Saying that i think the best picture we will see of that car is at the track at speed! :) Volksworld Steve Blue resto cal car was amazing also, the attention to detail on the car was to a level and beyond!. The detail in the engine bay was phenomenal. :) Dude 8) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: jick on March 30, 2015, 21:56:59 pm Good points well made Russell,
Here are my thoughts..... I haven't been to the Volksworld show for 2 or 3 years...but I was kinda underwhelmed...Not criticising the workmanship/quality/detailing on pretty much every car on display, some great cars! but the venue/layout etc for me needs serious reconsideration.., I know it's been said many times before, but maybe because it's a valid concern.... Surely the show has outgrown the venue? It's crowded...(ok, harsh criticism maybe) but dark displays and cars crammed together doesn't do the cars/owners justice I know we plough a narrow furrow with our niche interest but the 40 years of Cal-look display was just not good enough..... I know there are some well connected people on here who are in the know, but for the rest of us.... Well, I can't help but feel, seeing as this is the only/best Cal -Look centric website in the world that a few posts/requests on here for cars/memorabilia etc to display would have yielded some results?? I can't believe no- one promoted it on here?? I feel loathed to criticise because I know all involved must work incredibly hard to make it all come together but I just think the focus is lacking...I dunno..,maybe we are the dinosaurs here...no-one else really gives a damn about our angle....I've always regarded the Cal-Look as the punk- rock side of the VW world..... So maybe it should worry us more if the masses understood what we are doing? Anyway.... Enough wine fuelled rambling...highlights for me,...catching up with some like minded people, Dudes car/Ricky riyats old 67/the candy purple painted car....the DFL display. Ah.... To hell with you all...I'm just going to paint "cool Flo" on my scruffy bus and be done with it. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: vwhelmot on March 30, 2015, 22:17:17 pm I did get to meet Ron Fleming. Had a chat with him on Friday when it was quiet. What a top bloke! Dudes looker is a lovely car, it looks so right and Ron agreed.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: dannyboy on March 30, 2015, 22:19:58 pm in my mind the best way to support cal look is to attend events like ,uk cal look dragday, with a cal looker and get on the track or add it to the show and shine if your scared to break it.after all unless im mistaken isnt that what it was all about in the first place? :)
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: jick on March 30, 2015, 22:34:04 pm in my mind the best way to support cal look is to attend events like ,uk cal look dragday, with a cal looker and get on the track or add it to the show and shine if your scared to break it.after all unless im mistaken isnt that what it was all about in the first place? :) You're quite right! And with an unfinished car in the garage I'm skating on thin ice... But Volksworld is a static event, the show season opener, and so as a chance to showcase OUR side of things, and maybe get more/new people enthused about it... Well, I feel it was an opportunity wasted. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Fastbrit on March 30, 2015, 23:20:42 pm as a chance to showcase OUR side of things, and maybe get more/new people enthused about it... Well, I feel it was an opportunity wasted. The last thing I ever wanted was for it to become mainstream. Which it is rapidly in danger of becoming... Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Russell on March 31, 2015, 00:12:17 am Hey dude well fine on the best of show, I remember quite a few years back when my 63 cal look square panel van was at the show, it was almost in the same place as yours and after the first day of prams, kids, hands, knocked over barriers I had to stay away, the entrance is always crowded which is a real pity.
Having reflected on weekend, this is the first year I haven't had an exhibiters pass, hence didn't get s chance to google the cars without the crowds, maybe that was my fault ! And sorry I did mean kurt !!!'😄 Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 31, 2015, 03:50:27 am Enough bullshitting! I want to see pictures!!
;D Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Lids on March 31, 2015, 09:35:27 am zach here is a link to some pics (not mine)
http://s920.photobucket.com/user/bungle_bus/library/Volksworld%202015?sort=3&page=1 Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Deanodynosaurs on March 31, 2015, 10:50:55 am Morning all,
Not gonna lie, i had a great Volksworld Show. :) It was great to be even accepted to take my car there (and to actually get it finished!), i was blown away to be put where i was, and to win a prize......well i'm still smiling like a loon. Russel, exactly the same as you, i was nervous anytime anyone went near it, and when some parent let there kids run around inside the barrier near it i nearly had a melt down!! :'( Sorry, I really wanted to have a chat with you after Ron's talk on Sunday as well, but you were talking to someone and i never saw you again, sorry dude. I did think there was actually less car there this year than previous years though, which i though was good as you could actually see the cars better. I know it was 40 years of cal look, and it would have been nice if all the cal look cars had been more prominent (especially Kurt's as i thought it just typified what cal look was about, and it is a stunning car). I do however get why the organizer set it out as they did. As much as were all die hard cal look fans, the majority of people that walk through the door just want to see shiney cars, camper vans, and probably have little knowledge of the cal look. As Keith says, lets keep the cal look thing on the downlow, they can have Cool Flow and Rothfink!! ;D As for my car, so happy to have won a prize for it, but it wasnt about that, it was about building a car ive wanted to build for the last 7 years, and it going to the track as soon as possiable. :) Dude 8) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Bernard Newbury on March 31, 2015, 11:02:50 am Good points well made Russell, jick has made many good points here and could relate back to another thread on here. I think the emphasis now is the life style rather than the cars and it is really reflected in this years Volksworld show even more. 40 years of Cal Look? Is that represented with 8 cars? I have to agree that the show has out grown the venue which is endorsed by the way they cram the cars in. I really believe that without the people that devote their time and money to build the cars the various organisers could not stage shows and I think that this is often overlooked.Here are my thoughts..... I haven't been to the Volksworld show for 2 or 3 years...but I was kinda underwhelmed...Not criticising the workmanship/quality/detailing on pretty much every car on display, some great cars! but the venue/layout etc for me needs serious reconsideration.., I know it's been said many times before, but maybe because it's a valid concern.... Surely the show has outgrown the venue? It's crowded...(ok, harsh criticism maybe) but dark displays and cars crammed together doesn't do the cars/owners justice I know we plough a narrow furrow with our niche interest but the 40 years of Cal-look display was just not good enough..... I know there are some well connected people on here who are in the know, but for the rest of us.... Well, I can't help but feel, sheeing as this is the only/best Cal -Look centric website in the world that a few posts/requests on here for cars/memorabilia etc to display would have yielded some results?? I can't believe no- one promoted it on here?? I feel loathed to criticise because I know all involved must work incredibly hard to make it all come together but I just think the focus is lacking...I dunno..,maybe we are the dinosaurs here...no-one else really gives a damn about our angle....I've always regarded the Cal-Look as the punk- rock side of the VW world..... So maybe it should worry us more if the masses understood what we are doing? Anyway.... Enough wine fuelled rambling...highlights for me,...catching up with some like minded people, Dudes car/Ricky riyats old 67/the candy purple painted car....the DFL display. Ah.... To hell with you all...I'm just going to paint "cool Flo" on my scruffy bus and be done with it. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Zach Gomulka on March 31, 2015, 14:23:57 pm zach here is a link to some pics (not mine) http://s920.photobucket.com/user/bungle_bus/library/Volksworld%202015?sort=3&page=1 Thanks, didn't see Dude's car in those or did I miss it?? Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: EddieT67 on March 31, 2015, 14:43:14 pm Comments like:
"Cal-look is kind of the punk-rock of the VW world" "Im just gonna paint Cool Flo on my scruffy bus and be done with it" "They can have Cool Flo and Rothfink" make me proud to be a member of this here forum - FINAALLLY some like minded folk!! Breathes sigh of relief ;D Was tempted to make the trek to see the 40 years of cal-look display but I think I'd be right in syaing that f thath was the only reason for going, I'd have flet cheated. am I right? Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Prowagen on March 31, 2015, 14:52:37 pm Officcial Volksworld photos here:
http://www.volksworld.com/the-volksworld-show/volksworld-show-photos/volksworld-show-2015-photos-32689 Some nice ones of your car Dude: (https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/03/VolksWorld-Show-2015-051-630x419.jpg) Who's car is this? (https://keyassets.timeincuk.net/inspirewp/live/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2015/03/VolksWorld-Show-2015-079-630x419.jpg) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: spoolin70 on March 31, 2015, 16:02:16 pm I don't know who owns the second car but from memory it was something to do with the turbo notch (same builder/garage etc).
Don't think it really qualified for cal-look, and it was in the cal-look area too. As someone who has never had a car on display at the show (and never will), can I ask how are the positions decided ? First come first served or all precisely layed out ? Personally I really wanted to see more of the notch that was crammed in a corner downstairs. Could have easily have been rotating on a turntable IMO. Maybe they could loose some of the modern campers that take up so much room on the grass (personally I have no interest in captain seats or gas hobbs ;)) EddieT67 - I think you would have felt cheated. If it wasn't for it being local to me and delivering parts, I wouldn't have bothered. Bring on cal-look drag day !!!! Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Flow on March 31, 2015, 16:22:36 pm The second one is french, his name is Ben Lanthier and he works at Nostalgia Cars, Classic Vintage (you can find him and the shop on facebook). I don't know if he works alone or not but the shop is doing a great job ;)
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: spoolin70 on March 31, 2015, 16:25:02 pm And while it's on my mind, where were the greenhearts/outlaw flat four cars ? Certainly a lack of type 3's too.
I can only recall the windsplit for OFF which I would have liked to have seen the engine of. Nicely made catch tray btw. Spent 10minutes trying to explain to an elderly gentleman and his wife why it had a parachute on the back. Still don't think he believed me when I told him it can lift it's front wheels when it leaves the line :D Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Prowagen on March 31, 2015, 17:01:46 pm I would honestly say that almost half the cars in the Cal Look display didn't loo to be true cal look, but then maybe that was the point? More of a evolution of the style?
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Lids on March 31, 2015, 18:31:15 pm I would honestly say that almost half the cars in the Cal Look display didn't loo to be true cal look, but then maybe that was the point? More of a evolution of the style? Dunno, some would fit in the restowagen display outside and no one would bat an eyelid. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Tim C on March 31, 2015, 19:34:54 pm Dunno, some would fit in the restowagen display outside and no one would bat an eyelid. Let's hope the owners log on and read this insightful comment. It seems that everyone is quick to judge a cars' Cal Look credentials without considering the huge amount of time, effort, money and commitment it must take to get a car to a show like VolksWorld. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: jick on March 31, 2015, 19:45:34 pm "It seems that everyone is quick to judge a cars' Cal Look credentials without considering the huge amount of time, effort, money and commitment it must take to get a car to a show like VolksWorld." Hmmm....I don't think that's a fair reflection on what's been posted at all?? Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Martin Greaves on March 31, 2015, 19:47:30 pm What they should have done was to show how Cal Look started and has changed over the years right up to present day. You could have done that with 8 cars. They went to the point of making display cards to show that.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Prowagen on March 31, 2015, 19:51:01 pm "It seems that everyone is quick to judge a cars' Cal Look credentials without considering the huge amount of time, effort, money and commitment it must take to get a car to a show like VolksWorld." Yeah but they are not cal look so all that time is just wasted :D Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Neil Davies on March 31, 2015, 19:52:24 pm I would honestly say that almost half the cars in the Cal Look display didn't loo to be true cal look, but then maybe that was the point? More of a evolution of the style? Dunno, some would fit in the restowagen display outside and no one would bat an eyelid. But isn't that the old argument about what Cal Look actually is? In the 40 Years display the red and black 67s fitted, and the blue one showed the evolution into race car territory which many Cal Lookers followed. The two ovals showed the more modern interpretation with more stock features, but still definitely not resto-cal. Ghias have always been a sticky subject, but I thought they were both more Cal Look than not. The only one that was on slightly dodgier ground was the oval cab, for me mainly due to the wheel choice. Nice car, but lose the bumpers, and swap the SA Sprints for pretty much anything else and it would fit perfectly, but that's my opinion on those wheels. Let's hope the owners log on and read this insightful comment. It seems that everyone is quick to judge a cars' Cal Look credentials without considering the huge amount of time, effort, money and commitment it must take to get a car to a show like VolksWorld. Tim, I think I know what you're getting at here. To be honest, I think the resto-cal movement has really pushed the boundaries as far as quality of build goes. They're putting a phenomenal amount of work into their cars and they do look stunning as a result, if a little blingy for my tastes. It's just a shame that they can't set their suspension up properly... ;) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Lids on March 31, 2015, 19:54:33 pm Dunno, some would fit in the restowagen display outside and no one would bat an eyelid. Let's hope the owners log on and read this insightful comment. It seems that everyone is quick to judge a cars' Cal Look credentials without considering the huge amount of time, effort, money and commitment it must take to get a car to a show like VolksWorld. Tim, your missing the point, I never said they aren't nice cars, in fact I would happily own any of them, but as Martin has pointed out the whole display went to great efforts to describe cal-look to the public and yet only a couple of the cars met this criteria. Nowadays the lines are a little blurred between resto-cal and cal-look as they have all now been fitted with a hi-po engine, have superb detailing and run stock trim. Is the only difference a one spline drop at the rear? Volskworld should have made a real effort to ensure the cars categorised as cal-look met their own criteria which was written down around the display for all to see. That's the point I was trying to make. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Fastbrit on March 31, 2015, 20:07:05 pm You needed the following cars to get the point across, all of which were available but the organisers wouldn't pay for covered transport to get them there:
Arnie Mohlmann's beige '67 Greg Aronson replica Dave Rhoads' green meanie My ex-Goss Chop-top Doug Mische's '67 Randy gates' Split Those five cars capture the true sprit of Cal Look in one small group. Done deal! Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: nicolas on March 31, 2015, 20:12:29 pm You needed the following cars to get the point across, all of which were available but the organisers wouldn't pay for covered transport to get them there: Arnie Mohlmann's beige '67 Greg Aronson replica Dave Rhoads' green meanie My ex-Goss Chop-top Doug Mische's '67 Randy gates' Split Those five cars capture the true sprit of Cal Look in one small group. Done deal! as much as i can see your point with this, i thought it could have been a great idea to search for the 5-8 cars from EUROPE that could capture the spirit of cal look on this side of the pond. but that is a bit off topic as that was not the intention i suppose. would have been interesting for sure. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Martin Greaves on March 31, 2015, 20:22:25 pm Maybe next year they could do a display of all the different looks with in the scene so people can understand what they all are.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Paul Bahnstormerz on March 31, 2015, 23:19:18 pm You needed the following cars to get the point across, all of which were available but the organisers wouldn't pay for covered transport to get them there: Arnie Mohlmann's beige '67 Greg Aronson replica Dave Rhoads' green meanie My ex-Goss Chop-top Doug Mische's '67 Randy gates' Split Those five cars capture the true sprit of Cal Look in one small group. Done deal! And would have been cars I would have wanted to see! Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: jick on April 01, 2015, 07:04:56 am You needed the following cars to get the point across, all of which were available but the organisers wouldn't pay for covered transport to get them there: Arnie Mohlmann's beige '67 Greg Aronson replica Dave Rhoads' green meanie My ex-Goss Chop-top Doug Mische's '67 Randy gates' Split Those five cars capture the true sprit of Cal Look in one small group. Done deal! And would have been cars I would have wanted to see! Yes.....this does seem to be a particularly poor decision. Obviously budget constraints are important to consider....... BUT the organisers themselves chose to have the Cal-Look display.... Why do this and then not really follow it through. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Neil Davies on April 01, 2015, 08:36:33 am I think part of the problem is that the editorial team isn't particularly interested in Cal Look. Sure, Mike Pye has one, but the others tend to favour resto cal. James Peene seems like a nice enough chap but he's into a different part of the scene than Ivan, and it's reflected in the magazine and the show itself.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Paul Bahnstormerz on April 01, 2015, 08:57:42 am Thing is Volksworld was a better magazine with Keith and Ivan involved, so we'll just have wait for next months Ultra VW and all head to the Cal Look Drag Day
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Georg/DFL on April 01, 2015, 09:56:59 am Thanks for the kind words everyone! We are really glad that you liked our display.
Regarding the Cal Look display inside: I think it is easy to say that the Volksworld Show team should have done this better and that, but it's very difficult in reality! Even if you have in mind which cars from Europe you would like to have there and even if every owner of those cars tells you that he's coming - it doesn't mean it will happen in the end. VoWo team asked us if Tobi is coming with his Oval. We told them that it wasn't for sure and even if, we (and Tobi) wouldn't want to have his car inside and the others outside. For us it's easy to say what the VoWo team should have done better, but we all don't know how much effort they put into it before the show - and I bet it wasn't little. My statement regarding the Volksworld Show: I went there the first time in 1998 and didn't miss a single one since then. It is the only air-cooled VW indoor show in Europe and they do a great job on it! Same with the Carter brothers, who organize the red brik area (now Cool Flo area). Whatever you may think of what they do, please appreciate that they do something! The Brits appreciated it much more that we came over with seven cars then the Germans. They already complained about the fact that we trailered six out of the seven cars and that it is a shame to trailer them. Oh, and we are pussies not driving them to England, and so on. I bet those complaints came from people who never drove further than 100 miles from their home and never organized something for the scene. My suggestion: Enjoy the Volksworld Show and give constructive criticism directly to the organizers. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Prowagen on April 01, 2015, 16:50:16 pm I certainly don't envy anyone putting on a show, I have assisted in many and its such a nightmare and so stressful.
You can't please everybody, however I am a firm believer in do it right or not at all, so as someone else here mentioned, why not get this forum involved as there are a ton of cars on here that are more to the style. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Georg/DFL on April 01, 2015, 19:35:54 pm You can't please everybody, however I am a firm believer in do it right or not at all, so as someone else here mentioned, why not get this forum involved as there are a ton of cars on here that are more to the style. Right - and we brought some of these cars! ;) [attachment=1] Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: jick on April 01, 2015, 20:35:42 pm Great shot!
Remember, Cal-look enthusiasts.... If you have upright headlights... For the love of god pleeease colour code them!! Haha....(Rob-the-Manx are you listening?) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: j-f on April 01, 2015, 21:30:43 pm Great shot! Remember, Cal-look enthusiasts.... If you have upright headlights... For the love of god pleeease colour code them!! Haha....(Rob-the-Manx are you listening?) Well, I never thought about doing that, but that's now on my bucket list of to do things! Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Flow on April 01, 2015, 21:41:39 pm Watching the picture, what I can say is that you can't blame organizers if there are no cal looks... If cal lookers don't come, there are no displays. The DFL came and have been rewarded with a big location and a price ::)
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Georg/DFL on April 01, 2015, 22:06:07 pm Watching the picture, what I can say is that you can't blame organizers if there are no cal looks... If cal lookers don't come, there are no displays. The DFL came and have been rewarded with a big location and a price ::) Just for clarification: We had to pay for the marquee over the "big location"! Which is fine with us, we just don't want people to think we got it all for free! ;) Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Flow on April 01, 2015, 22:42:26 pm And that is an even big effort made to represent the cal look scene ;)
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: vwcab on April 02, 2015, 06:23:37 am You can't please everybody, however I am a firm believer in do it right or not at all, so as someone else here mentioned, why not get this forum involved as there are a ton of cars on here that are more to the style. Right - and we brought some of these cars! ;) [attachment=1] Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Nikov on April 02, 2015, 10:06:44 am Well my daughter and I thoroughly enjoyed the show. The quality and workmanship of the cars is breathtaking :o
Had a chat to a tall, bearded German chap from DFL who spoke better English than I do. A lovely line-up of cars :) :) :) The Ron Flemming presentation was properly entertaining as well. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Russell on April 03, 2015, 23:24:25 pm Watching the picture, what I can say is that you can't blame organizers if there are no cal looks... If cal lookers don't come, there are no displays. The DFL came and have been rewarded with a big location and a price ::) Mmmm Yes you can, they chose the cars for display not the public, they asked for a few from me but unfortunately they couldn't get a sponsor or have the budget to pay for the transporter, which I totally understand as it is expensive. Unfortunately they decided to leave it, I would have checked before publicising a 45 year cal look display. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Russell on April 03, 2015, 23:25:57 pm You can't please everybody, however I am a firm believer in do it right or not at all, so as someone else here mentioned, why not get this forum involved as there are a ton of cars on here that are more to the style. Right - and we brought some of these cars! ;) [attachment=1] Awesome picture. ;D Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Zach Gomulka on April 04, 2015, 04:34:47 am Watching the picture, what I can say is that you can't blame organizers if there are no cal looks... If cal lookers don't come, there are no displays. The DFL came and have been rewarded with a big location and a price ::) Mmmm Yes you can, they chose the cars for display not the public, they asked for a few from me but unfortunately they couldn't get a sponsor or have the budget to pay for the transporter, which I totally understand as it is expensive. Unfortunately they decided to leave it, I would have checked before publicising a 45 year cal look display. A serious question as I honestly don't understand how this works: They invite you to bring your car(s) and you say, "Sure, as long as you pay to have them shipped" ??? I believe most people would be flattered, and graciously accept the invitation. Is it not a big compliment to be invited to this show? Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: RIP356 on April 04, 2015, 06:14:35 am When they are charging people to look at your cars ?
I think they might be able to afford transport! Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Zach Gomulka on April 04, 2015, 07:04:09 am When they are charging people to look at your cars ? I think they might be able to afford transport! Isn't that the case at every event then? Volksworld must be something completely different(?). Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Fastbrit on April 04, 2015, 08:18:16 am When they are charging people to look at your cars ? I think they might be able to afford transport! Isn't that the case at every event then? Volksworld must be something completely different(?). Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Russell on April 04, 2015, 09:06:22 am Watching the picture, what I can say is that you can't blame organizers if there are no cal looks... If cal lookers don't come, there are no displays. The DFL came and have been rewarded with a big location and a price ::) Mmmm Yes you can, they chose the cars for display not the public, they asked for a few from me but unfortunately they couldn't get a sponsor or have the budget to pay for the transporter, which I totally understand as it is expensive. Unfortunately they decided to leave it, I would have checked before publicising a 45 year cal look display. A serious question as I honestly don't understand how this works: They invite you to bring your car(s) and you say, "Sure, as long as you pay to have them shipped"u ??? I believe most people would be flattered, and graciously accept the invitation. Is it not a big compliment to be invited to this show? Zach the cost was £4000 for a return trip to London for the 4 cars in enclosed transport, they did look at 8 cars but £8000 to ship them there and back is a large amount and I totally get why they wouldn't or couldn't justify that money. But remember show organisers charge money for traders, spectators and even clubs to have a covered area ! And they make money from this Any yes I was flattered but also disappointed that it didn't happen, however for you to have a go at me without knowing the facts is skittle unfair Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: vwhelmot on April 04, 2015, 11:34:16 am It is a shame that some of Russell's collection wasn't at the show but can totally understand why they weren't on both sides of the argument.
I didn't realise how expensive it is to transport them. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Prowagen on April 04, 2015, 14:21:59 pm When they are charging people to look at your cars ? I think they might be able to afford transport! Sometimes the entry fees on shows barely pay for the venue and event staff, I am not sure if this in the case with Volksworld but Sandown park would probably be a pretty expensive venue! Also you have to hand it to them what other VW show is put on that more resembles a modern day motor show in a covered venue that is a proper exhibition hall. Also there are tons of people out there that would take their cars there for free to display, as its seen as an achievement or honor. So I can sypathise with their predicament as if you pay for one persons car(s) to be there then what's stopping anyone saying "Well you paid for their transport, you have to pay for mine too". It may end up setting a precedence. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Bernard Newbury on April 04, 2015, 16:16:33 pm When they are charging people to look at your cars ? I think they might be able to afford transport! Sometimes the entry fees on shows barely pay for the venue and event staff, I am not sure if this in the case with Volksworld but Sandown park would probably be a pretty expensive venue! Also you have to hand it to them what other VW show is put on that more resembles a modern day motor show in a covered venue that is a proper exhibition hall. Also there are tons of people out there that would take their cars there for free to display, as its seen as an achievement or honor. So I can sypathise with their predicament as if you pay for one persons car(s) to be there then what's stopping anyone saying "Well you paid for their transport, you have to pay for mine too". It may end up setting a precedence. Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Russell on April 04, 2015, 16:21:44 pm When they are charging people to look at your cars ? I think they might be able to afford transport! Sometimes the entry fees on shows barely pay for the venue and event staff, I am not sure if this in the case with Volksworld but Sandown park would probably be a pretty expensive venue! Also you have to hand it to them what other VW show is put on that more resembles a modern day motor show in a covered venue that is a proper exhibition hall. Also there are tons of people out there that would take their cars there for free to display, as its seen as an achievement or honor. So I can sypathise with their predicament as if you pay for one persons car(s) to be there then what's stopping anyone saying "Well you paid for their transport, you have to pay for mine too". It may end up setting a precedence. Totally agree they are damed if they do and damed if they don't, I think the Volksworld show has always been about starting the year off catching up with friends and seeing the general scene covered from all angles, it's only when they do something specific that if its your bag it's easy to criticise, I think it's like a special birthday for cal look this year and we probably would like a bigger deal made of it... However let's not moan lets be thankful for what we have a best of show being a cal looker, a few very nice examples inside and the DFL outside Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Zach Gomulka on April 04, 2015, 19:13:27 pm It wasn't a dig at you, Russell. There is nothing like Volksworld in the U.S. VW scene. I truly don't understand how it works on this level, I still don't, and I may never. I'm completely ok with that :)
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Georg/DFL on April 08, 2015, 10:49:27 am I have had strong feelings about this subject for years and it is not unique to this show. Volksworld is a subsidiary of a large multi media company and they are looking for more than " barely pay for the venue and event staff", they are not doing it for the good of mankind!!! It is an achievement to have a car shown at an event like the Volksworld show and it is a sad fact that they capitalise on this. They should look after the car owners better than 2 free tickets and a drink voucher. I was more than happy to take my cars to it as it served as an advertisement for me but as for DFL that bring all the cars from Europe and then pay for a covered area, I am sorry that is wrong!! Without people like DFL and all the other hard working car enthusiasts there would be no show. Unfortunately it is a double edge sword because if you pay some expenses, give a larger display area per car at a larger venue, then the admission has to go up and it opens up another can of worms!!! Before people think we had to pay for our space, that is not the case! Let me get things straight: We were asked to come over by the Carter brothers. They were organizing the Cool Flo arena aka red brick area. We were not allowed to bring our own marquees because of insurance reasons. That meant we had two choices: No cover or renting a marquee. We chose the latter. The Carter brothers were kind enough to subsidize the marquee, but the club still had to pay a considerable amount of money - for cover! Not for the display area!. Like I said, it was our choice to have the marquee! Understandable, if you consider the typical English weather in March! ;D Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Bernard Newbury on April 08, 2015, 11:39:05 am I have had strong feelings about this subject for years and it is not unique to this show. Volksworld is a subsidiary of a large multi media company and they are looking for more than " barely pay for the venue and event staff", they are not doing it for the good of mankind!!! It is an achievement to have a car shown at an event like the Volksworld show and it is a sad fact that they capitalise on this. They should look after the car owners better than 2 free tickets and a drink voucher. I was more than happy to take my cars to it as it served as an advertisement for me but as for DFL that bring all the cars from Europe and then pay for a covered area, I am sorry that is wrong!! Without people like DFL and all the other hard working car enthusiasts there would be no show. Unfortunately it is a double edge sword because if you pay some expenses, give a larger display area per car at a larger venue, then the admission has to go up and it opens up another can of worms!!! Before people think we had to pay for our space, that is not the case! Let me get things straight: We were asked to come over by the Carter brothers. They were organizing the Cool Flo arena aka red brick area. We were not allowed to bring our own marquees because of insurance reasons. That meant we had two choices: No cover or renting a marquee. We chose the latter. The Carter brothers were kind enough to subsidize the marquee, but the club still had to pay a considerable amount of money - for cover! Not for the display area!. Like I said, it was our choice to have the marquee! Understandable, if you consider the typical English weather in March! ;D Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: Bernard Newbury on April 08, 2015, 11:40:11 am oops, double post.
Title: Re: Cal Look at Volksworld Post by: max, Der Bahnstormerz on April 12, 2015, 04:41:15 am A few of my pics, a show worth flying over for, well done Volks World team!
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