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  To all that maybe interested the Ren Kafer Cup will return starting at the Bug In May 17th 2015 if you would like to attend please let us know by posting here so we have an idea for head counts. The rules should be posted soon on the Bug In website or you can call Rich Kimball. Or you can go at Bug In.com for more info.

Thanks
Frenchy

 8)

 .that's great news.  I hope there are a decent number of participants.. or even better, people building new cars to show/race...   

Another reason to make the trip to Bug-In

 ;D

good news. i have ex rich d drkc 67 in my garage if any interest.

Even better news, I am in California then ;D

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  - me too  ;)



 -you lucky sod Lee. Not fair!

Great news DRKC was awesome, have to see if I can get across country for this!

   Thank You everyone for the great response on this post I am sure it will be a great time.

Thanks
 Frenchy

I was hoping this would come back! I started my 67 build to be in the Ren Kafer Cup, then it ended. Will it come to Sacramento as well?

I'm in.

  At this time the Ren Kafer Cup will be at the Bug In only as far as I know.

Frenchy

Somebody needs to tell Mike Lawless -- He still has the winning Ghia

hmmmmm.

this looks interesting

Looking forward to this. Great way to sort out those that drive 'em hard from the trailer queens. 8)

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DAM -- -- That means I'm gonna have to find an interior for my car LOL

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Are all the rules the same, naturally aspirated only?

Pat, are you going to take out the 36 horse?  ;D

 Zack

At this time as it was before no Turbo or injection. The rules should be posted on the Bug In site

Frenchy

Glad to see you post this up Frenchy. I did talk to Rich today for a bit about the potential of running a Friel Gruppe Car at the Bug-in 40, not sure which one. It sounds like there are still some minor details to iron out, but looks promising. I don't think the rules are posted yet on the site, but for the most part, the DRKC original rules apply. It was fun running DRKC when Kimball first started the class,..Cal Look Show Cars Running on the Track..what's not to like. The numbers started to fall I think in part due to the fact that there were some very very very fast cars that were obviously not street cars. It is important to remember it is an exhibition class, part show, part race. I would like to see the competition part of the class be modified slightly to allow the slower show Street cars to be more competative with the faster show Race cars. I think if the class is to start again, I think there needs to be tweeks to encourage car count. Its hard enough getting cars to get a full field when its strictly racing. Look at SS, SC and SG. Of course, it would be nice to have the class run its own lane during an event like any other class,...2-3 qualifier runs and then eliminations. I don't think this is the way the class will go. Just my opinion.

I totally agree. I'd rather see a huge field of slightly slower cars than just a couple quick ones.

I think supplying a spec pump 91 fuel to the racers would even it out.

I wouldn't suggest we eliminate the faster cars by requiring pump gas,..I love the faster cars. I just think a modification in how the "racing" portion of the DRKC is "judged" should be looked at. Who doesn't want to see a DRKC Cal Look car in the 10's? If there was some way to level the playing field as it pertains to awarding points on the track. Its a exhibition class. A lot of the original DRKC cars I ran with were DKP guys that cruise their cars on the street, 12 second magazine quality show cars. Some faster, some slower. Its a bragging rights class, and most of all is supposed to be fun. At the end of the day it's Rich Kimball and his crew that make the final call, just my two cents. Whatever happens, I am glad to see the potential  rebirth of the DRKC.

maybe modify the rules to allow fuel injection since more people are going in that direction and I feel their needs to be different classes based on e.t.

Ok, if no pump gas then how about making the show portion of the event have a bigger effect on overall scoring (show/go was 50/50, correct?)? Just my opinion, but I feel like some of the older DRKC cars focused more on the e.t.

Just a worthless opinion from a non competitor who wants to see a full field of clean street cars :)

Allen and Mike used fuel injection from the beginning.

DOT tyres, pump gas and drive it into the track. No trailers used to get the car to the event.  :D

I would not have a problem allowing injection, as long as the TB size is limited.
If you limited the heads to a VW style casting, carbs to 48mm max w/ a 42mm vent or 48mm TB & 1 3/4 exhaust, this would limit the class.
This would be very easy to check & enforce. A huge engine would be limited with these parameters. I would love the pump gas rule, but it would be challenging logistic wise. I know you cannot make everybody happy, but if you targeted the majority & kept the car count up it would be successful. Just my 2 pennies.     Bill

I give that a big X2!

I love seeing the chat interest, showing there is definitely a chance this may work. I don't think a re-vamp of the rules is needed, just a "tweek" to make the Race/show cars and the Street/show cars more on a level playing field.  Paint quality  build quality are equally judged on both cars. But when a car is obviously running a motor built to go into a Super Street car that's a gun at a knife fight. I say, use the RT generated and run at least one pass with a dial in. It is an exhibition class for fun and sometimes the planned three run get cut back to two runs only. I think it will work if you call the first run a qualifier and the 2nd and if 3rd run a dial in. All the numbers and MOV are on the timeslips and can be easily compared. The race portion would be determined with the best combination of Reaction Time and how close you came to your Dial in...more like real drag racing. There are no eliminations, time will not permit that and the playing field between faster cars and slower cars is more even. I am not trying to create more work for Rich, only trying to encourage more cars and competition.

Old DRKC rules with a twist on the racing portion. Run what you brung, race gas, pump gas, DOT tires or Slicks, 1200lb car 2200lb car, 9:1 CR motor or 16:1 CR, it doesn't matter.

The problem with this, Pat, is trying to get it so the spectators understand what's going on. That's why the heads-up classes are the crowd's favourites because they're easy to follow.

The original DRKC died, let's face it, when a certain pale blue car with a S/S motor showed. By imposing simple rules, such as limits on tyres, heads, fuel(?) etc, you can run on an equal playing field – a well-detailed car that's fast = job done. Award points in the car show judging and so many points per round. Car with the most points wins.

OK - over to you guys for more discussion...  ;D

K-,

I don't think so, getting the spectators to understand wasn't a problem in the past. The announcer makes it clear of the how the class competes every time they run. When we ran DRKC many many years ago. The announcer was great at explaining to the crowd how the class was two parts, show and go. A certain pale blue car may have been part of the downfall, but not entirely,..there were a couple of blue cars that were uber fast. The crowd is smart enough to know a heads up race from a bracket, and everyone loves an Underdog. First pass Heads up,...2nd or 3rd dial it in and reaction time plays a part. Will be interesting to see what comes of it.

P-

I would be more than willing to participate but wont be able to with pump gas and VW style castings as I run almost 11.0 to 1 and street eliminators. I will drive from Corona to Fontana or any pre cruise needed and run with  no trailer like I always do but can't run the thing on straight pump gas. Anyhow whatever the decisions made are going to be if I fit in then I will participate. It should be about fun in my opinion.

My car will run 12's and I drive it all over but just have to mix some fuel in.

Looks Bitchen; Hauls Ass! I for one thought Geers had the ultimate DRKC car. It summed it all up; just sayin...

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I hope anyone is there and take a video from the drkc races  ;D

come on Keith

It may have been, but it also killed the class at the same time. No one else had a chance at competing.

Some tighter boundaries will keep the interest level up and participation high.

I love the DRKC idea in it's original form.

I would like to see it limited to street cars with VW style heads and pump gas.
It may eliminate the faster cars but I would like to see this class be more street oriented instead of seeing purpose built cars.
The purpose built DRKC cars killed interest in the class. Guys built cars that they couldn't enjoy and couldn't use and guys with more street oriented cars felt they couldn't compete.

Did geers car have full interior
Headliner
Door panels
Back seat...

Just brainstorming...
For a bigger field allow any type of fuel and DOT legal tires....
but with a few tweeks...
During runs have cars with similar fuel type race each other.
And create a bias or a handicap perhaps favoring pump gas and DOT tires on cars.
The handicap could be factored into the spread sheet scoring system.

Another option. simplify...just make it a 12.80 index and a car show for street cars, why waste your money on a 10 second engine at that point?

stay in the discussion KS!  ;)


 

I think that's a good idea Mike.  If you go a certain e.t. you get full credit for the race portion.   A small deduction for slower times equal to a car show deduction.

That is a good idea.

MG, one of the originals. Your old Tomato is getting a freshen up BTW,...or at least some much needed love and will be back on the track some day.

 Interesting on the handicap,...full race motor and slicks vs pump gas street tires. I still say, run what you brung. Let the 10 second cars run with the 12 second cars,...Pump gas, race gas, DOT, slick,....2110 or 2632, no index Dial it.

P

Here is an old MG car running DRKC
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That was tried, and clearly the "12 second cars" didn't have a chance, so they left the party.

Something has to change if DRKC is to live long and prosper.

I agree,. What I posted was " I still say, run what you brung. Let the 10 second cars run with the 12 second cars,...Pump gas, race gas, DOT, slick,....2110 or 2632, no index Dial it."

In other words, whatever you have, fast or super fast, street or strip, run it,..just dial it in. No index.

P-

How about a spec tire and the overall winners car is "retired" from further RKC racing. Kinda like the Indy 500.





still alive and kicking

as much as i also think there is a need for rules that sum up the cars that compete in this class, i think that you can't please everyone. it will be and MUST be competitive. of all the competitors there is one car that can win.

with good rules there will be innovation, tricks, stepping up and improving. but that is part of the game. there also will be cheating one way or another, rules will be bent and broken.  that is something that can kill the fun.

i think a lot of people don't really mind not being competitive at the highest level of the class, but just want to take part of it and do it, but more then a few would be really pissed off if the next guy cheats. that is my opinion on it anyway.



also (my opinion as well  ;D) i think there is still room for improvement on the Geers car. so it can be beaten  ;D

Hoping to be able to run the class.

Big deal if we run a little fuel and non VW casting heads ?

My car is a driver I will drive it to the track on DOT's and front runners ...run it and drive it home.   Hope to see the rule decision soon.

 I don't have a back seat though so does that mean I'm disqualified ?

How about we let this happen before killing it with rules. Let's show our bad ass cars and bracket race and have some damn fun and give the spectators something to see.

 
  My thoughts were just suggestions,  maybe I  should clarify stock manifold spacing & valve covers,  just trying to stay away from the race motors with Autocraft heads ect.  .  there has to be some sort of guidelines or history is doomed to repeat itself.

Looks great on track Pat! 8)

This class sounds great for the new Car I'm building, I would also agree on what Bill's suggestions using Pump Gas and possibly DOT style Tires, but hey, make the rules and I'll come and play, I think my son would also add another Car with his 67:)

I also think any VW style like Street Eliminators or CB Wedge ports do fall under that category but no Autocraft, Super Flo's, Comp E heads. This is just my opinion but again, I would go along with everyone's decisions...

And, let's not forget this class was killed, mid-season without much notice or discussion.

I'm just saying back in the day the car's were hauling ass I can't wait to see how fast they're going to be  now.

Hey Ben, Art you guy's in.

Would like to see some 10 second RKC street cars blasting down the track again!

I always had a good time!

    I just got off the phone with Rich Kimball and at this time we have 5 contenders that will be signing up for  DRKC Jason Foster, Scott Psuma, Eric Justus , John Grella , Robert Kong if I do not have  your name correct let me know and I will correct it here. Also have three other contenders. If you know of any one else interested to run this class call Rich.


Thanks
Frenchy

I would love to see a resurgence of this class show up at the big events again.
Well...
....mostly because I missed it the first time around.

Hey there Frenchy....It's Pescuma. I'm driving to the track, using pump gas and DOT drag radials...Should be fun...who cares who wins!  Give the crowd a show.

Scott Pescuma

Sounds like a real street car :-)  But a discussion like that has no end.. only rules can limit the cars or you must do braket racing

Udo

As of right now I don't have any slicks, might stay parked.

Hey Petaluma, your attitude is so right on the money.  See you there..............

sell the impala lol

Frenchy bring some Renn Kafer swag.  8)

i know of four of the participants and can say those are street cars(driven) i hope the class comes back as i sold my car last time right before it started and would love to see a season of competition and enter my car here in vegas or maybe phoenix? have fun sunday guys

   Sorry everyone I was not able to make it to Bug In 40 I have to work extra overtime because I will be retiring in July this year. I hope that the Ren Kafer was a success this past weekend.

Thanks

Frenchy

WHO WON???

Robert Kong

How big was the field?

5 cars I believe

Kong with his Squishy engine was my early pick... Saw that car on a dyno at AJ's a few years ago and it was a beast
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Congrats to everyone who participated!!!

Four cars: Jason Foster, Scott Pescuma, Gary Justus and Robert Kong...

Congrats Robert "Squishy" Kong..... Banging through the gears in the Vert.

I have an ex DRKC 67 too...

so what about the next event?

Actually, there was a mistake in the points tally,

Scott Pescuma 1st place + most show car points
Robert Kong    2nd place + Lowest ET
Jason Foster    3rd place

Congrats to you guy's, was awesome!!

Ted

Folks like to dogpile on Shawn Geers, as if he was entirely to blame for the demise of DRKC.  Rich Dickson ran 10.90's too, did he not?  Damon L.'s Oval was running 11's.  There were a few cars that continued pushing the ET/performance envelope during the latter era of the class.  If anything, I would venture to say/guess that the class would have declined no matter what, as people get bored with one thing or another after time, and in some cases want to grow their racing program beyond one particular class.  Mike Lawless is a good example of a racer that moved beyond the DRKC box. 
Going faster and doing "more" is the natural/inevitable progression of those involved in motorsports; if they didn't, guys like Cory Mac would have remained amateur hobby racers,  puttering around/bracket racing Volkswagens or whatever other platform you can think of.

New participants and cars keeps it interesting.
a lotta work racing and showing any car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hjUpADqURg
my race cars only get the Q tip for the Monterey Reunion and DRKC events.  ;)
https://youtu.be/4glx1pjt10w?t=11s