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Has "it all been done?"

the high perf exhaust system for the street VW has grown up over the last 40+ years, hasn't it. Have the pipes been bent and looped and twisted every which way they can be? Glass-packs, stingers, straight-thru's turbo mufflers....anything left out there? Exit to right side, left side, hidden under car, what's left?

Just curious and thought this might stir up some imagination. .

 ;D

Zoomies?  Have two exit on each side right in front of the rear tire. ;D

I am still under the opinion that QPs and especially dual QPs are the nicest looking and sounding exhaust fitted to a VW. I wonder if you can get a set of Dual QPs to flow as well as a single turbo muff.

--louis

if one was to use a more modern and gas-flow friendly muffler it might be.

Yeah that is what I thought. I am going to get in touch with Tiger at A1 and see if he can whip up a set for the 2276 when I get to that point.

--louis

Ive got an idea that I stole from the guy who owns the VW/Porsche shop a couple doors down... it involves this ;)
(http://www.dynomax.com/products/images/ultraflox/x_cut.jpg)

I do not think it has "all" been done. Most people are trapped by the same old ideas. I gotta tell you I am definetly a QP hater. All weinerish and small.....yuck! The V8 muffler trend was the best thing to date. I say "lets not bring back QP's"(especially duals, because they are heavier and twice as weinerish) I barely lived through them the first time ;)

I remember seeing a Ghia in a picture that had the exhaust coming out of one of the torsion bar cover holes in the wing - that looked a bit mad, but very cool. The dual Quiet Pack is my favourite - the bread bin turbo mufflers look unbalanced to me. I know what Mike Maize is talking about though - single quiet packs are just too small!

Personally I like sound and look of a clean set of quiet packs on a cammy motor with big carbs. True though, they don't have the most aggressive look.

I think a no-nonsense, no flash system is best. I like Glenn Gaskey's tailpipe treatment.

I think, if it were possible, a sidewinder type, like Glenn's and have a plain 2-1/2" tailpipe exit, like Glenn's, would be cool. Just a plain pipe. Black, cut off straight, peeking out of apron.

I am more of a chrome tip guy. Maybe with a hint of a trumpet flair. On HVWs Project 67, wonder what ever happened to that one, they moved the exhaust cutouts from the apron to the fender. Thought that was a novel idea even if it was not something I would do.

--louis

Possibly a VW version of the Porsche 550 4-cam "Sebring" exhaust ?

Now you are talking Richard!

Hmm I could get into that.  Wonder if anyone ever tried it?

I love the look of dual quiet packs and I´m not a fan of turbo mufflers at all, BUT I feel that my dual quiet packs for merged headers isn´t the best for my engine especially when it comes to high revs.  For that reason I´ve made my own dual quiet packs the last few weeks (it still isn´t finished, yet). It has slightly bigger tubes whereas the outer dimensions of the 2 mufflers are exactely the same as on my former CB dual quiets (see pic).

I don´t know if it will work but I´m optimistic. ;) Next season will show...
Bye,

Tobi

Looks good Tobi!

It does look good because it is "big" enough in comparison to muscle under the lid!

yeah that does look good, the pipes have a really nice shape to them...

i have a turbo muffler that i'm modiying for my '59, along the same lines as one that Geoff Hart had on his beryl green 59, with a much longer pipe between the flange and muffler...

That looks sweet! Be interested to see how they work and sound.

--louis

how much for a set? ;D  I'm sold!

Those are just the ticket, Tobi.  Me likey, and will probably try to copy!   :o

Toby, that set-up looks great.  Old-school look with today's technology - sweet!

I'd like to do something similar with my Ghia.   8)

Thanks for the nice comments, everybody! I will keep you updated how the system works!;-)

Does anyone in this forum have any experience in A1 sidewinder exhaust?

Andy Jewell ran one for a while, so you could pm him Tero... however it looked very odd when following the car, it didn't look complete. On the "cough cough" resto cal side... Foxy runs one on his GFK 65.

They are really nicely made.

They are quiet... much more so than the standard style A-1 turbo muffler. I think it needs the tips routed out the peashooter holes... would look more appropriate, and stealthy too. Plus, it wouldnt blow dust all over the car when you start it up ;)

Tero, I have a sidewinder on my 1914 and I am very happy with it.

The quality is good. The slip joints are very tight, so Tiger told me to use wd-40 when assembling and it worked like a charm. I wanted a quiet muffler. Tiger recommended the magnaflow, which is barely audible but still has a nice, mellow tone. It does not sound like a dune buggy or a V-8. I painted my header high temp flat black so it is nice and stealthy. It gives the car a different look. Not resto cal at all ::)

Zach, the muffler only has one tip, but it would probably look very cool to have it stick an inch or so past the peashooter hole. Don't worry about the dust. I am one of those guys who constantly wipes my car down anyway ;D

I totally agree!I bought a muffler to have someone make me a turbomuffler several years ago, I then found out that this wasn`t the way I wanted my car to look(for reasons I wont go into  :)) its been bodering me for years, I want look and performance.Been thinking of trying to make something simular to the dual quiet packs for a year or so, but my problem is that the exhaust "flang" sits 5-6cm behind the rear apron witch in turn will make the pipe-bends sit too far from the apron.And I`m scared of loosing horsepower if I shorten it...so my solution so far has been to use the stinger  8)  ;D  I cant relax when driving because I`m always scared of meeting the police , witch ruins the joy of using a Hi-pow VW on the street a little bit.

I remember 3 or 4 years ago talking to Paul Rui about me wanting to have a Porsche 550 4-cam "Sebring" exhaust maid for a Type 1, he then told me that there was a guy in England(I think it was Ritchie from Karman connection) who had plans of starting a production of that kind of heaters. I never heard of any product like that hitting the market, so I`m guessing the market wasn`t big enuff or the cost to high. But I think it would look very period and cool on a looker.

Straight stingers! Come on...I can hear it now! Image a cruise with a bunch of 2 liters. I loved parking structures back in the day!! Vish ::) :P

I made mine come out a single pee shooter hole. Tiger made me a Sidewinder with the outlet blank and I routed it myself. Glenn

Woah, that looks realy good. :o

Yes, it does look good. Glenn, do you have a picture of the entire rear of the car to get a better perspective.

COOL PICS GLENN! ANY MORE PICS OF THIS NEW CAR? BP

Tobi, can you tell us some specs on what you built?  What dia are the pipes from the collector to the muffs?  Where did you get the muff blanks?

Super nice Tobi, I haven't gotten around to starting to weld up mine yet. Yours came out awesome, hey I would buy one I you put it into production! The "Tobi-double"!

Have a look at the "classic sporty style" very nice indeed, no good for big BHP motors but very tidy all the same, its a shame something like this could not be developed further, nothing better than the 2 neat tail pipes coming out from the stock valance IMHO..............or the Sebring style which I´ve seen on a few 550 replicas so someone must do them for bug engines.

http://www.hoffmann-speedster.com/us/prod/AUSPUFF.asp

Hi Bruce,

I´ve shortened the merged part of the header quite a bit to get a 2,5" opening which is the same diameter as the flange. The part after the flange is conical so it´s like an extension of the formerly cut merged bit. After that the tubes to the mufflers are 2 1/8" mild steel tubing (the radius is 3 or 4"...I can´t remember). The tubes inside the mufflers are 2 1/8" as well. The tailpipes are 2 1/4" stainless steel tubing and the ends are widened with the help of a 10 ton. press. All tubings, reducers and flanges are from www.jegs.com. The mufflers are from a german shop and as far as know that shop gets those parts from Summit Racing.
Bye,

Tobi

Thanks, Jon! :)

Hey Tobi, thanks for the info on your project.  One more question:  Did you make the bends yourself, or are they a standard bend available?  They don't look like they are made from the u-bends that can be bought.

Thanks again!

Hi Javabug,

those are U-bends from the Jegs website, just cut as needed.
Bye,

Tobi

Thank you.   8)

Hi Tobi, have you any news on your mufflers? Please let us know, thanks.

Jim

We work on a Beck 550 Spider kit car with a close to orig style exhaust - like the one on the other page - one of the BEST SOUNDING EXHAUST SYSTEMS - Big motor in car too - one muffler on each side with nice bends into a single outlet - but car has lots of room to hide all the pipes

That is not the same car - This one is out in the valley here - I know james has worked on that other one from hayward - Not sure on his exh. system.

Thanks Fred.

We'll see va sunday, Glenn

Hi Jim,

no news yet as it´s winter in germany so the car usually gets some updates. ;) The gearbox is out to get a refreshening and an 4.125 R/P (instead of 3.875). I hope to get it back in about 2 weeks so I can re-install it. I hope to be able to go for this year´s first test drives in 4-6 weeks.
Bye,

Tobi

Cool. be interesting to see what you come up with. I have been thinking of contacting A1 about a dual Q pack style setup for one of his lowdown headers.

--louis

You're always welcome Mark!!

That looks pretty sweet.

--louis

What size?  1-1/2" looks like?  Cut down some chrome straight rolled tips for the pea-shooter holes.

Looks good.

I think a similar setup would be cool, but with two short megaphones poking out just beyond bumper (with diffusers... a la 906, 907...etc)

Its seems that most headers/exhaust systems for our cars are all 4 into 1 configurations. I'd love to see some 4-2-1 and compare them on the dyno to see how different the power curves would be. Are there any 'off the shelf' 4-2-1 headers available?

Cheers, John.

Correct... 1½" flanged heater boxes and sidewinder header. Had to drill a hole in the boxes for the return spring on the flap linkage. Also, there is no groove for the circlip on the pivot shaft.

I'm impressed with how much lighter the A-1 boxes are. Only weighed 4lbs. on my scale. They feel only a third of what the factory ones weigh.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj128/Rennsurfer/Misc%20Stuff/NewHeaterBox50808.jpg)

Overall, I'm happy with the system.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj128/Rennsurfer/Misc%20Stuff/NewExhaustOn508083.jpg)

Looks tidy!  Probably sounds a little better than a stocker.


Where's Tobi???  We need an update on his dual muffler project.   8)

Wow.... looks cool Mark. Very Germanic. How does it sound?
I really like that....  wish I still had cutouts.   ::)

Very nice!

yes that does look good. maybe a new trend in callook...

Dewey, Cheetham and Howe  ;D ;D

no more NPR for you Rick.. get back to work

best part of that show is the credits...

the clothing designer.... Hugh Jass

Here I am. ;)
Unfortunately my ignition box failed after just a short while on the road with the new muffler.
The sound seems to be very similar to the sound of my former CB merged dual quiets. I´m quite sure that it will outperform the CB system when it comes to higher revs but I still can´t confirm it. I hope to get my new ignition box very soon to be able to report to you how the system works. 8)

Tobi

Talk about the best of both worlds, looks great Mark.

Hi Tobi,
how much was it to ship?
i was thinking of ordering some bends at jegs also;
here in belgium they are hard to find...

Thanks for the update!

Hi ruff,

I can´t remember but the rule of thump is that until the parts from the US arrive in germany it´s like 1$ = 1€ if you know what I mean.
Bye,

Tobi

If that were true I wouldn't have been able to accumulate so many parts of the last few months ;)