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Yes Landrover!!!

have a look at this....


being built in California right now

Narrowed vw type III rear end
Narrowed vw type I front end
4 wheel disk brakes
Porsche Super 90 engine...

You forgot about the Porsche Space Savers  ;) :)

Cool project though :)

Did they run-out off beetle bodies in California? ;D    ;D

Give it to someone who will restore it as a Land Rover and not an abomination.
 ::)

wow series one  :o

kobus, when I read the title I wasn't quite reading for that, I was thinking something like this.

my 63 ragtop behind my Land rover.

something like this ( wihout blower ) !!!

I agree.

I can't say I like it very much right now. Maybe once finished I might learn to like it  ??? But like others said, it would have been better of restored (or even better hot-rodded) as a real Landrover.

I had a 1949 and a 1951 Land Rover when I was 16 and I thought it was cool, but I never thought of it as a potential scraper!

The rover was obtained as a rusty hulk wreck... bent rusty frame... bashed body... Very bent roof... no engine... no trans... frozen rusted axles... missing many parts etc etc.
It was on it's way to the scrap yard and I told the owner I would haul it off for him.  We recycled the frame... and the running gear that was left at the metal yard... I left most of  the crusty rusty and bent parts I could... and bought all the other parts it needed from craigslist and the rover sites... used.   (My dad has an original 1949 80")  Anyway... this 88" wasn't gonna get restored... so it is no loss to mod it.  I have restored many rare cars and that is fun too... but sometimes you need to just do something wild.

When we built the 2110 1942 kubel we upset a lot of folks but it was also a totally screwed up car with wrong everything... and we didn't do anything to the original kubel... we only modified the non kubel bits... and fabricated a new chopped windshield.

Cars like this are interesting because they stir up the muck... and challenge people's perceptions and norms... as evidenced by the comments on this site... (a site dedicated to modified cars ironically)  Modifying cars is a bit like art... everyone has different tastes...   Nobody is right or wrong... it is subjective and criticism is normal and expected.

It is important to not destroy any important history... and I don't think we have ever done that.  But above and beyond that... I say bring on the new ideas as we all get tired of the same ideas over and over.

.........

By the way... I still have the 5 steel 16" rover wheels and they are free to anyone who wants them... but so far... on the rover chat lists... and on craigs list... there have been no responses in the 4 months I have been trying to give them away.  They are here in Central California.

I'm sure they were thinking the same thing when they cut up and installed a V-8 in this real Hebmuller.
 >:(

i agree with overrestored, its his car to do what he wants. if you dont like it, i guess you wont offer to buy it. next time you get all purist on people, try parking your car with the stock class at any car show and just listen to those people talk about how you destroyed your car.

Meanwhile in Norway
(http://www.vwnorge.no/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12418.0;attach=44218;image)
(http://www.vwnorge.no/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12418.0;attach=44220;image)

It's not that I don't like customising, look at my bug, I screwed it up beyond repair for many. It's just that I don't see the sense in doing this project. Again, when finished it might prove me wrong.

I agree that it is super cool to rescue a lost cause car. Even if that means that you kill it even more. Please go ahead and make it wild and then some wilder. But I still believe a more Land Rover oriented car would make more impact than just shock. Of course I know very little about the LR, maybe this is the only way to make them cool  ::) ;)

The Norvegian approach tickles my fancy a bit more, going from the few pics.

I dunno, the thread was posted in effect asking for opinions... if the Kubel that overrestored mentioned is the one I'm thinking of, I totally dug that car.  But it was a Volkswagen.  I don't see the point in implementing VW parts in a non-VW rig, but hey, that's just me.  Problem with custom cars is related tastes are a dime a dozen.

First Landrover on the Lounge????


And hopefully the last :P

I think its really cool, and its not like Land Rovers are especially rare, at least not over here and it shows a lot of imagination. Kev Donlon (a fellow club member, builder of full weight 1970 14 second qtr camper) was heavily into the green laning scene over here in the UK and some of the mods they do to those cars - mostly much newer defenders - are unbelievable... a bit like the 'weight saving' thread, many of them gundrill just about every part that can lose weight without sacrificing strength. There's always info to be picked up from other scenes that can be applied to our own perversion ;D

i think that desire to appear and to astonish is a different thing than true real car enthusiasm. there are maybe too much people involved in old cars. and very few are prepared. this is the result. soap box racing are more serious than our world nowadays. rip to an interesting old land rover.

i am very sorry to tell a different thing this time kobus. generally i keep ur point of view very high. this land rover is a mirror of times. all i see in last years is people doin everything to be cool at any cost. this land rover doesnt make me smile, doesnt make me laugh. the only feeling i feel is to close internet forever and closin in my garage.

money is goin up, culture is goin down. u can't paint a pair of moustaches to the monna lisa just to do something different.

i always see old cars not like a play or a joke. old cars are a tremendous serious thing.

i see too much people treating old cars like skateboard question.

we will exit this situation in some years maybe, when thry get tired and they will find another thing to play with. we will wake up with a sense of sadness and lots of ruined cars.

to be cool is a great thing. but cannot be the only purpose.

i am sorry if i offended someone. but it is my thought.

I really like it!  ;D It's a bit different, most of these just look the same, after all what can you do to a landrover other than paint it green and put some chunky tyres on it?

But then I'm the guy who wants to put a big IDA motor in the back of a '63 Corvette roadster... :o

Originally... we wanted to find a wrecked Boxster Porsche... and but that running gear into the rover body.  But the Boxster is so much wider than the Rover... it wouldn't work... plus the wheelbase of the boxster is too long and they are a unibody design... it would have been too expensive.  But a boxster with a rover body... would be more of a "boxster" if we could have pulled it off.

I had the extra super 90 engine sitting... so that became the reason we decided to go vw running gear.... basically because it was cheapest and easiest... and I understand vw's best.

I realize that ruining cars... or creating a wierd combinations of parts... seems pretty stupid to a lot of people... it seems stupid to me too truly... but I am not hurting anyone or anything.... this car was junk.... and it is fun to make stupid things.  I also like building goofy bicycles and weird sculpture... Without crazyness... life would be kind of dull I think.

It is done because it is a fun challenge... It is like building a "tree fort"... instead of building a house.  Or like having a crazy party... instead of a formal dinner party.
The neighbors don't like the crazy party... they get upset.... they would rather you just stay home quiet and watch the television.   But if nobody has a party then what becomes of the world... it gets quiet and boring and we never get to have any fun.

I have restored several dozen vw's and coachbuilts and old 356 Porsches... and just want to do something goofy and fun and not have to have every part perfect and be subject to the "originality police" looking at every detail. 

I think it is better to have done something... and to have been criticized for it... than to do nothing... for fear of upsetting someone. 

if it is not your taste... well that is ok too.  I am sorry.  I don't like Ferraris.  I don't like muscle cars.  We each can have different tastes... that is good.  If we were all the same life would be pretty boring.

So thank you for the criticism.  It is healthy... and we all learn a great deal from it and hopefully it gives us more understanding of others feelings so we can learn how to live with them.  We are all different... we have different colored skin.. and religions... and ways of living.  It is a big world and we need to allow everyone a place without judging them because they are different than we are. They are just different...but it is ok.

i think you are a clever person.

problems with internet forum is that generally u have two options:

- u say you like it
- u stay in silence

if u go for third option, that is " i don't like" it is generally a problem.

i am very glad u caught the spirit of our happy democratic first world. that is : you are free to do what you want with your car (until you hit my grandmother on her bicycle) and i am free to say what i want (until i insult you). nobody went out the tracks. so we can have a beer together if one day we meet in person.

best wishes.

Great, clever answer! Eric, knowing the quality of your work, I have no doubt your Land Rover will turn out great.
Your silly '42 Kubelwagen still makes me smile. Our hobby needs cars like your 2110cc Kubel and your LR.

Some of these comments really surprise me... Common, it's a beat up LAND ROVER, not a fully restored Dannenhauer & Stauss!

Bullitt, I don't agree with your statement: "old cars are a tremendous serious thing".
Thankfully, they aren't. Hot rodding is a great hobby and has a very positive influence on the vintage car hobby as a whole. Think about the '32 Ford. If it wasn't for hot rodders, who would remember what a '32 Ford looks like? Ford produced roughly 250,000 cars in 1932; Chevrolet 320,000. Now, when was the last time you saw a '32 Chevrolet on the road? Those cars are gone, but thousands of '32 Fords have been saved - not by vintage fanatics, but by hot rodders.
Furthermore, vintage fanatics (who often hate hot rodders) can be thankful to the huge hot rod aftermarket for allowing them to fully restore their own '32!

The same school of thoughts applies to our VW hobby. Like it or not, modified VWs keep our hobby alive. Of course, I'm not saying we should butcher an unmolested Hebmuller or a Dannenhauer & Stauss in great condition. These cars should be preserved...

I had a feeling that was the Kubel you were talking about - All I can say is I LOVE that car and I couldn't agree more with Stephan - and he is right its only a crappy old Landie ;) :)

wow, you did exactly what i wouldve done to that kubel, THAT IS A COOL CAR

I find this Heb much more interesting than a restored one..

just so you don't think I butcher everything... here is one of my restorations...

(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/277550.jpg)
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/277562.jpg)

Beautiful Rometch!!

I know of an un-restored, pretty decent '59 (I think) sunroof coupe that's been sitting since 1962...
The owner will not sell... but I keep asking.

~DR.

I think its great, I hate landrovers, while it get the whole "landrover thing" they have never interested me

I love these sorts of projects, it’s been said further up this thread that its would be boring if everyone built the same cars which is totally true. It must be said that 99% of the people on here have customized there car to some extent, so why not this?

I always think it a little rich when people start complaining about what other guys are doing with their cars , this guy paid for it, now its his to do what he wishes and good luck

I for one would love to see it finished, if I like it when its done then I’ll say so , if I don’t I’ll keep to myself but you have got to give respect where respect is due for the work, money and effort involved in this project.     

As they say, anyone can restore a car, it takes a real man to cut one up

eric meyers rometsch   :o :o :o

Fabs, keep up at the back...  ;)

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not in single colour as far as I can remember..
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Who isn t he the guy who used to have the Simple shoe and clothing compagny.
He had a few cars in the magazines during the 90's.
Really loved his Kubel.

By the way Welcome here Eric.

Kind Regards Edgar

simple shoes are too cool , 8) i had several pairs of those shoes  , now i can't find any shoes in stores  :'(

Randy Carlson.  He currently runs a web site OldBug.com

I still have a new pair of unused Simples in the box somewhere.  Sadly, they are post-Meyer era I believe.  I do have my original box still, with the drawings all over it.

the box were cool , split bug and buses   ;D

I was the creative director of a line of clothing and shoes called Vision Street Wear throughout the 80's and quit to start start Simple Shoes in 1991.  I sold Simple in 1996.  I got very lucky with Simple basically... but worked very hard.  I sold out early before anyone had a chance to figure out that I was an idiot.

Eric M.

Donny B... you are mistaken...Randy Carlson is my friend... but he and oldbug.com have nothing to do with Simple.

Hey Eric I still remember the feature of your white& red samba about a decade ago Super nice ride.
Wish I kept the simple shoe boxes they had some cool drawings ;)

Michael

Ps like what you are doing with the land rover.

the shoe box drawings are all by my friend Dan Price.  His work can be seen on MoonlightChronicles.com.  But most of the VW stuff isn't on there.

I want him to make a line of t-shirts with the old vw drawings on them. Simple sold hundreds of thousands of t-shirts with his beetle and bus artwork on them.  Somebody should contact him to get together and build a t-shirt brand.

Thanks for correcting me.  Sorry for the error.

still have one in my garage   :o

 ;)
fabs

This is a pic of the HEB's engine I found,but sorry,don't know the engine specs. ;)

I have a live track about that sort of thing by Henry Rollins somewhere!  :D

 

is there any news on the Land Rover with Porsche 356 engine?