Building a nice 1500cc?

[Wout]

Hi

Want to build a good engine for my 67 callook Karmann Ghia (still to build  ), want it nice and clean but don't want to kill the whole budget of the restoration of the car. So any suggestions or idea's would be very welcome! I'm not looking for a very powerfull engine, have my 68 beetle to play with  , so I'm rather looking for a good reliable single port engine. Found myself a good H-engine, so dismantle this one and let it measured will be the first step I think? I'm not sure if I want small double carb's or not, but it's cleaner IMO. I want the car pas daily mot so that why I want the H-case.

I know it's not a 300bhp turbo monster but hope there's someone out there with nice idea's who's willing to share them with me  .

Thanx!!!

gr
Wout

[Rennsurfer]

Hi

Want to build a good engine for my 67 callook Karmann Ghia (still to build  ), want it nice and clean but don't want to kill the whole budget of the restoration of the car. So any suggestions or idea's would be very welcome! I'm not looking for a very powerfull engine, have my 68 beetle to play with  , so I'm rather looking for a good reliable single port engine. Found myself a good H-engine, so dismantle this one and let it measured will be the first step I think? I'm not sure if I want small double carb's or not, but it's cleaner IMO. I want the car pas daily mot so that why I want the H-case.

Wout, I'm not familiar with the M.O.T. rules/regulations, but if you can get away with dual singe throat carbs on your H series case, I'd go that route. Single port engines run very well on that set up. You can also drop a mild cam (Engle 100) and do some mild head work (smooth out the intakes/exhausts) and still end up with a very reliable, yet fun engine to drive.



My temporary engine (it's either a 1,500 or 1,600cc... don't know, haven't taken it apart to find out) is single port & stock, but I switched the carbs for the 34mm ICT Webers, a German Bosch .009, and a custom made 1 5/8" A-1 Sidewinder exhaust with matching diameter flanged lightweight heater boxes. It gets great mileage (long as my foot's not in it), and does actually very well on the freeways and other high speed roads. Beats driving a bone stock engine while I'm slowly building my bigger engine.

If you can, get a set of Kadron or ICT carbs... then go have some fun. Great low end torque with those heads, too.

[Zach Gomulka]

Fred has got it. While you're in there counterweight the crank and lighten the flywheel. Make it a 1600cc while you're at it... can you even get 83's any more??

[Rick Meredith]

Might as well put in 87s and go 1641

[bugnut68]

Hi

Want to build a good engine for my 67 callook Karmann Ghia (still to build  ), want it nice and clean but don't want to kill the whole budget of the restoration of the car. So any suggestions or idea's would be very welcome! I'm not looking for a very powerfull engine, have my 68 beetle to play with  , so I'm rather looking for a good reliable single port engine. Found myself a good H-engine, so dismantle this one and let it measured will be the first step I think? I'm not sure if I want small double carb's or not, but it's cleaner IMO. I want the car pas daily mot so that why I want the H-case.

Wout, I'm not familiar with the M.O.T. rules/regulations, but if you can get away with dual singe throat carbs on your H series case, I'd go that route. Single port engines run very well on that set up. You can also drop a mild cam (Engle 100) and do some mild head work (smooth out the intakes/exhausts) and still end up with a very reliable, yet fun engine to drive.



My temporary engine (it's either a 1,500 or 1,600cc... don't know, haven't taken it apart to find out) is single port & stock, but I switched the carbs for the 34mm ICT Webers, a German Bosch .009, and a custom made 1 5/8" A-1 Sidewinder exhaust with matching diameter flanged lightweight heater boxes. It gets great mileage (long as my foot's not in it), and does actually very well on the freeways and other high speed roads. Beats driving a bone stock engine while I'm slowly building my bigger engine.

If you can, get a set of Kadron or ICT carbs... then go have some fun. Great low end torque with those heads, too.

So that exhaust doesn't kill your bottom end any?  I figured 1-5/8" would be way too big for stock valved heads... Good to know for the future, a mouse motor may be in my future after a score of parts I picked up this weekend for cheap!

[Rennsurfer]

So that exhaust doesn't kill your bottom end any?  I figured 1-5/8" would be way too big for stock valved heads... Good to know for the future, a mouse motor may be in my future after a score of parts I picked up this weekend for cheap!

It runs really well this way, but I'm sure I'm not getting the maximum bottom end, like you said. I was just thinking ahead for my next engine. Didn't see the point of buying two exhaust systems.

Rick & Zach, you're both right... I forgot about the 1,641cc option and the counter-weighted crank. D'OH! Those are both required on a small engine. Ran that set up with a bored out stock Solex carb,, dual port heads, Engle 100 cam, tall K&N filter, Phoenix hide-a-way header/muffler (made a set of fake factory pea shooter exhaust tips), and a Bosch .019 distributor on my Java Green Euro spec. '66 Bug. VERY fun engine to drive. Bored out that main jet as big as I could with a jet reamer kit.

[Wout]

Thanx! Don't know about the 1641cc, it depends on how good the 1500cc stuff is. All the other things sounds very good and not over budget  . I think I have to read Dyno Don's topic about singleporting again  . If someone has a set of those carb's for sale or may know some, please let me know? I'm not in a hurry cause I'm building a new garage so first things first. When the garage is finished, I can work at home on the engine and the karmann  .

gr
Wout

[nicolas]

1641 should be as expensive as a 1500 engine regarding pistons and cylinders. like Zach said, 83's are maybe even harder to find and 87 pops up frequently at a good price.

[1957lowlight]

I would go for a nice single port dual carb engine set up like in the days.  A riechert or TDE set up would do very nice and ad to that vintage callook theme you are looking after.  I rather not use modern aircleaners, but something more vintage.

Philip Steenackers
Flatline Lowriders
Belgium

[Wout]

Hi Philip

Would be nice, do you know some carbs for sale? 

Wanted the car and engine ready for EBI 2011, but as I'm still building my new garage that's not a good plan. Want to do it the good way and at my own garage so the car has to waith  .

Any pics nice single port dual engines are very welcome 

gr
Wout

[fredy66]

t-3 carbs is what you looking for not to price.

lots of info and cool stuff hear

http://forums.pre67vw.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=14384

[Berger]

I had a stock 1500 (rebuildt to stock spec with balanced crank) in my KG for a while. Just added 1,25:1 rockers, 1 1/2" exhaust and dual single 34mm solex carbs. It was the strongest "stock" engine i ever had!!  

[Lee.C]

cool topic - I have been thinking about "stock-ish" motors for a while 

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,13878.0.html

[Rennsurfer]

Really dig the air cleaner housings on this!



In fact, that entire engine is wall-to-wall WIN.

[fredy66]

just got my self a 1300 dual port. Friday i,m picking it up 
going to ad the dual progressive carbs i have a header and some 1.25 rockers. home porting and a bit or comp
any body have any info on porting

[Lee.C]

Really dig the air cleaner housings on this!



In fact, that entire engine is wall-to-wall WIN.

Very very cool - is there some 356 parts in there somewhere 

[CHR!S/DVK]

Really dig the air cleaner housings on this!



In fact, that entire engine is wall-to-wall WIN.

what kind of distributor cap is that??

[Zach Gomulka]

25hp

[Torben Alstrup]

Hello.
There is no need for a counterweigthed crank in a single port motor of that kind. Just get the stock crank/flywheel/clutch balanced. Rods and pistons too. Personally I like lightening the flywheel 2 lbs (1 kg) on these engines for faster rpm pick up.
I like the CB2280 cam. Very nice idle and good overall torque (Slightly less top end over the W100, but better low end)
Clean up the ports, shorten intake guides 5-7 mm. cut back valves, 3 angle valve job 8,5 - 1 CR.
Yes on the ICT´s or 34 mm PCI´s/ Brazil Solex or even good condition type 3 carbs.

I think a 1½" header will be too large. It will kill the lower end torque, which is what these engines are st up for originally. I would stay with a regular 1 3/8. Its also cheaper, and today you can get a variety of good mufflers for it.
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[Wout]

Thanks to all!!!!!

When I start to it, I'll updat this topic  .

gr
Wout

[Kaferdog]

I'm running a stock 85x69 set up in my car with Dual 36 Del DRLA's 4-Tuned 1 1/2 ,German 009, and it runs "Great"..! I sooo love it

 My 2275 is ready but I kinda don't wanna put it in cuz I will miss my ( very reliable ) little motor....I must say it did run a little better with my 1 3/8 on it though !

[Dokke/DFL]

Hi Wout,

This is my engine from my old 1500'67 beetle that I sold last year.
It's really simple, single port with Weber 34 PICT and Bosch 009, that's it and runs really GREAT !!!

Cheers, Dokke
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[Wout]

Hi Dokke

Thanks for the comment and the pic!
Nice engine but want mine even more simple, want to use an electric fuelpump so I can hide it. Have a doghouse (kind a 30hp fanhouse) but with place for the oilcooler, so those little things should made it very clean.

Want to start at it wright now, but have to build my garage first  .

gr
Wout

[1957lowlight]

hey Wout,

I like the idea of a mildly tuned stuck engine on dual carbs, especially in a Ghia, where you have lot's of engine room.  I had a stock 1600cc dual port on dual 36mm dell'orto's in my beetle and it ran great.  Low budget and all.  I don't think it's a good plan to rush your garage, the ghia and the engine ready for EBI 4.  Take your time and do it right.

Here is a picture of the 1600 cc engine.  Air cleaners were 356C's for solex P11 carbs, modified at home to fit the dell's. 

Philip

[Wout]

If someone has some vintage carb's or singleport inlet's laying arround, and willing to sell them, please let me know 

Thanks!

gr
Wout

[fredy66]

If someone has some vintage carb's or singleport inlet's laying arround, and willing to sell them, please let me know 

Thanks!

gr
Wout

i have some dual port 1300 heads and the carbs in for sall

[Rennsurfer]

The air cleaners on the last two engine pictures look GREAT.

[Wout]

If someone has some vintage carb's or singleport inlet's laying arround, and willing to sell them, please let me know 

Thanks!

gr
Wout

i have some dual port 1300 heads and the carbs in for sall

Thanks but I want to stay with the single ports 

gr
Wout

[fredy66]

 

[1957lowlight]

@DKK Fred: thanks for the comment.  At that time I wanted a cool enginebay, but I had no butget as all of the money was going to the Ghia (and still is ), so with an investment of second hand 356c aircleaners, I had something special.

Philip
Flatline-Lowriders
Belgium