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bugnut68
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Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 00:01:57 am »
Ah, yes, good news is great. Just got word that my 45 Dells that I sent to ACE to be gone through and repaired for some internal leakage issues area apparently garbage due to a previous repair attempt. Not sure what the reason is, as I plan to call and arrange to have these apparent paperweights shipped back tome and should know more soon. Pretty sure it isn't anything I did, as all I did was install gaskets and seals and do a thorough cleaning. Looks like my current engine build will continue to be an engine test stand prop for the duation!
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kustomlarry
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 00:06:31 am »
Looks like a perfect time for idas....haha
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bugnut68
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 01:59:39 am »
Heh... well, I'd really rather not go IDAs as it's my understanding they're a PITA to get running right for the street. And I'm a one-man-band here in BFE where I live, as the sun rises and sets out here by the small and big block American muscle crowd.
Talked to Dave at ACE and he said that at some point someone drilled and tapped some passageways for little allenhead set screws. They'are located on the corners of the body just above the butterflies, I believe on the outside part of the carburetors (not on the fan shroud side). Apparently they were done poorly and the carbs are damaged to the point of not being repairable inside. He also said it appeared the butterflies are bent.
I reassembled these carbs after cleaning them and installing new gaskets and seals, but did not "wrench" the little set screws hardcore by any means. Whatever damage is present was there before I got them.
Bought them from an east coast VW guy in early '09. I emailed him with the findings, but certainly don't expect any restitution. I'm so pissed right now it's not even funny.
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kingsburgphil
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 02:57:53 am »
Quote; Heh... well, I'd really rather not go IDAs as it's my understanding they're a PITA to get running right for the street.
Horse feathers!! If you need help with IDA's just ask. There's gotta be a hundred guys on this forum that can walk you thru
any set-up or procedure with 48's.
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65bug
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 02:58:54 am »
bugnut,
Thats a real bummer! Sorry to hear the news! I run 48 dells and love them. The dells are a much better high performance street carb then IDA's I love mine and would not trade them for anything else.
I hope it all works out for you and keep us posted!
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 03:01:20 am »
Quote from: kustomlarry on May 17, 2011, 00:06:31 am
Looks like a perfect time for idas....haha
Quote from: kingsburgphil on May 17, 2011, 02:57:53 am
There's gotta be a hundred guys on this forum that can walk you thru
any set-up or procedure with 48's.
WORD!
I love my Tri-Jets, but I do the "why didn't I get IDAs" dance in my head now so many times it makes me sad!
Plus, like Phil says, there's tons more info on tuning your IDAs then tips for Dells, sadly.
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glenn
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 03:57:30 am »
I've run dual Dells since 1977 and loved them. 4 years ago I got a set of IDAs done by Art. They are awesome and great on the street.
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65bug
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 04:37:33 am »
I would strip them down for parts. Having spare parts will certainly come in handy for future use. Take everything you can off them thats usable!
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 08:07:04 am »
I've been running dells for about 7- 8 years now ...!!!1...I love em....But gettin ready to step it up with IDA's Now..!!!...But will for sure miss my Dells..!!
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 10:37:11 am »
I see there are lots of Dellorto fans out there and I'm one too. I had a set of 45s about 15 years back and regret selling them more than all the other stupid stuff I did when I was young. I bought a new set of Spanish IDAs last year and they were in a poorer state than all the Dellortos that I've rebuilt even though some of them had been in a fire.
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May 17, 2011, 11:41:53 am »
perfect timing for you to go turbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 13:27:40 pm »
I run a set of ACE prepared Spanish IDA's on my 2110. I had never run dual carburetors before and I was a little nervous too. ACE prepared IDA's, Berg linkage, Berg IDA manifolds.......run great on the street, no problems at all.........I drove my car to work this moning.....nice
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bugnut68
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May 17, 2011, 16:43:51 pm »
I should have mentioned the other factor at play here... $$$$$$$
The good news is I emailed the seller and it sounds like he's going to work with me on coming to some sort of a resolution. It may take a few weeks as he's currently laid up with injuries of some sort. Bought the carbs from him two years ago almost exactly, but the engine didn't start coming together until last year and early this year, so they've literally been sitting in the box all that time until I cleaned and re-gasketed and sealed them last summer. We'll see what happens, I reckon.
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 17, 2011, 18:53:43 pm »
Wow ....now that sounds like a good dude....!!.....Hope it works out ...!!
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bugnut68
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May 17, 2011, 19:08:01 pm »
Yeah, I would honestly be happy with even just a partial refund... he bought the carbs in the same condition I did. I would just as soon buy a pair of carbs ready to go from ACE rather than dicker around with carbs that need to be gone through.
I've got a pair of baby Dells in my collection that are clean, and I realize that they would seriously choke the engine down... considered setting them up to get the engine broken in at least, but I'm not so sure it would be worth the expense for jetting and vents and what not.
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Bryan67
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 18, 2011, 04:48:35 am »
Let me be the first to say that unless you are building a 1600, do not use the baby Dells. If you look hard enough you can find Dells for under $200.00 on The Samba or CL.
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bugnut68
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 18, 2011, 17:20:28 pm »
Quote from: Bryan67 on May 18, 2011, 04:48:35 am
Let me be the first to say that unless you are building a 1600, do not use the baby Dells. If you look hard enough you can find Dells for under $100.00 on The Samba or CL.
I'm not really considering that at all.. they're going on a 1600 I plan to put together.
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StrokerMcDell
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 18, 2011, 19:42:18 pm »
Can you post up some pics of the set screws in the carbs .
The bent butterflies arent a problem and even if the shafts are bent the Dells use "universal" shafts so same shaft fits all carbs.
I cant envisage where or why the previous owner fitted the set screws ??
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bugnut68
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 18, 2011, 20:22:16 pm »
Quote from: StrokerMcDell on May 18, 2011, 19:42:18 pm
Can you post up some pics of the set screws in the carbs .
The bent butterflies arent a problem and even if the shafts are bent the Dells use "universal" shafts so same shaft fits all carbs.
I cant envisage where or why the previous owner fitted the set screws ??
Regds
Don't have the carbs back yet, so pix aren't possible at the moment... the guy I bought them from purchased them from someone else like that, no idea why they were done.
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youngnstudly
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 19, 2011, 00:48:29 am »
Are you set on running another pair of Dells? What size carbs are you looking for for your engine?
-Andy
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bugnut68
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 19, 2011, 00:54:23 am »
I may end up running IDF Webers instead... got a line on a pretty nice looking set of 44's that came off a similar engine to mine, at least in terms of size.
I'm hearing Webers are known for plugging idle jets, but it's not like I'm going to be driving this car as a primary driver or anything.
They'll be going on a 2017 engine with 42x37.5 valves, 8.6:1 comp, Engle 125 cam with 1.25 rockers, 1-5/8" header with 2.5 inch dynomax.
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 19, 2011, 01:16:33 am »
I got real good at doing Weber idle jets with the 44's on my old 1600
As soon as I could feel it running on 3, I knew what the problem was.
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 19, 2011, 02:29:03 am »
Quote from: bugnut68 on May 19, 2011, 00:54:23 am
I may end up running IDF Webers instead... got a line on a pretty nice looking set of 44's that came off a similar engine to mine, at least in terms of size.
I'm hearing Webers are known for plugging idle jets, but it's not like I'm going to be driving this car as a primary driver or anything.
They'll be going on a 2017 engine with 42x37.5 valves, 8.6:1 comp, Engle 125 cam with 1.25 rockers, 1-5/8" header with 2.5 inch dynomax.
perfect home for 44mm IDF
use Mahle KL24 fuel filter
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youngnstudly
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May 19, 2011, 05:05:03 am »
Quote from: bugnut68 on May 19, 2011, 00:54:23 am
I may end up running IDF Webers instead... got a line on a pretty nice looking set of 44's that came off a similar engine to mine, at least in terms of size.
I'm hearing Webers are known for plugging idle jets, but it's not like I'm going to be driving this car as a primary driver or anything.
They'll be going on a 2017 engine with 42x37.5 valves, 8.6:1 comp, Engle 125 cam with 1.25 rockers, 1-5/8" header with 2.5 inch dynomax.
Yeah, Weber IDFs are known for plugged idle jets but you can help yourself out a little by running 2 fuel filters (one at the tank, one at the transmission). In my experience, the idle jets aren't too bad to get to with the right manifolds, but if you have the CB tall (6-5/8") straight manifolds like I do, the idle jets are
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impossible to get to. You'll know immediately when a jet is plugged, after you develop a "feel" for how your engine runs when it's properly tuned, and it won't be a big deal. That's one reason I like the DRLA's over the IDF's...Easier to get to the idle jets.
Andy
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bugnut68
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 19, 2011, 17:37:44 pm »
We'll see what happens... I'm not so sure plugged idle jets will be too big a deal for me to deal with since I won't be driving this car everyday, everywhere...
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 19, 2011, 21:26:38 pm »
True, but it's still annoying.
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Bryan67
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Re: Just found out my Dells are apparently junk...sweet!
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May 20, 2011, 04:31:20 am »
CB sells hex head idle jet holders.
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bugnut68
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May 21, 2011, 19:15:04 pm »
Quote from: Bryan67 on May 20, 2011, 04:31:20 am
CB sells hex head idle jet holders.
I saw that... If I score these Webers I'll likely get a set of those. I was planning on cutting access holes in my engine bay anyways...
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