My 65 race car

[BeetleBug]

the sump tank and oil cooler must not be in the cockpit.  They need to be boxed in.

And please make sure you box in the oil sump etc really well. A few drops on your slicks and all hell can brake loose.

-BB-

[Andy Sykes]

Ok,.... that's a F&$kn' amazing work.

cheers thanks

[Andy Sykes]

And please make sure you box in the oil sump etc really well. A few drops on your slicks and all hell can brake loose.

-BB-
[/quote]

thats worries me to even a slight leak back there could be a slight issue, so it was d-day today would it fit with 10" slicks the answer is just lol but i still have about5mm i can back space them yet so may well do that yet.







got to adjust this though lol needs to come up a bit good job its only tacked in



so looks like i can start welding it all up for good tmw

cheers andy

[Fasterbrit]

Sweet 

[Andy Sykes]

Sweet 

Cheers Matt thanks


Spent a few hours today practicing TIG welding using the pedal and then put it to work







As you can see I'm not master at it but happy so far

[Andy Sykes]

Just more welding








This TIG welding lark takes some practice lol so if keep going I may get better by the end of the job lol

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

its on the floor woo hoo



next job is making the adjustable top arms to adjust the toe and camber as you can see its about 8 deg a bit over the to lol







pretty happy how its turned out i will have to shorten the drive shafts i wasnt that lucky it was close but not that close

cheers andy

[AntLockyer]

Looks great, nice one.

[Fasterbrit]

With 8 degrees of negative camber, your on the wrong forum. Restowagen for you from now on! 

[richie]

Andy

why does it have so much camber? surely the porsche it came from didn't have that much? so if you get the geometry the same as the posrche& mount the arms in the same place as the porsche you wont need adjustable ends?  also 2 things that are bothering me looking at all the pics,
1.ride height, what have you done to allow it to increase ride height?  when you add 500lbs of engine and ancillaries its going to be on the floor
and 2. how are you going to get a header in there? the point were 1&3 tubes come out of the heads looks like its going straight into the suspension arms?

 it was difficult enough on mine to get those 2 tubes out,needing to actually go through the suspension,around the cv & hub and then underneath and mine has much more room around it that yours.

I like the fact you are thinking so outside the box     but there are somethings that just have to be done the conventional way,the exhaust port is on the end of the head so it has to come out there

Can you put a front wing on for me please? I want to see how it looks with that front suspension, thanks


cheers richie

[Andy Sykes]

With 8 degrees of negative camber, your on the wrong forum. Restowagen for you from now on! 

Fuck and I'm keeping the trim I'm on a downward slope lol

[Andy Sykes]

Hi Ritchie

Thanks for your comments keep them coming I have tried to think of as match as I can lol

Andy

why does it have so much camber? surely the porsche it came from didn't have that much? so if you get the geometry the same as the posrche& mount the arms in the same place as the porsche you wont need adjustable ends?  also 2 things that are bothering me looking at all the pics

It would be a waste of time doing so as I want the rear end to be completely adjustable so the 8 deg of neg camber at the moment is as far as it can go at this height I also will be making the new arms to get rid of the rubber bushings to get zero toe change
,
1.ride height, what have you done to allow it to increase ride height?  when you add 500lbs of engine and ancillaries its going to be on the floor

I have some laser cut parts coming I need to weld in place for height adjustment

and 2. how are you going to get a header in there? the point were 1&3 tubes come out of the heads looks like its going straight into the suspension arms?

It will fit there's loads do room those arm taper in at an angle

 it was difficult enough on mine to get those 2 tubes out,needing to actually go through the suspension,around the cv & hub and then underneath and mine has much more room around it that yours.

I like the fact you are thinking so outside the box     but there are somethings that just have to be done the conventional way,the exhaust port is on the end of the head so it has to come out there

But that's too easy what would I think about at night lol

Can you put a front wing on for me please? I want to see how it looks with that front suspension, thanks

I sure will when I get them back from the guy making the front air dam I do have some standard ones I could try though


cheers richie

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

Looks great, nice one.

Cheers thanks

[richie]

Are you getting ex flanges from pauter with your engine? I think they are cut for 2inch primaries so that will be your header size,the radius on a 2inch tube is big and you need 2-3 inches of straight coming out of the exhaust port so how close is that going to put the header to the suspension arms? it may just be an optical illusion looking at your pics so I hope you are right but it looks really tight to me.

Why couldnt you get the ride height and camber correct already,is there something in the way preventing it? I understand wanting to build in some adjustability but surely you need to have it close to start with?

Suggestion:
A longer coilover would proberly help the ride height issue

cheers richie

A stock wing on the front just to see would be perfect,thanks  

[Andy Sykes]

Hi Riche it is going to be tight i have about 8 " i moved the suspension about that much to get 0 camber at ride height i couldnt land were i wanted to yes in the ideal world setting as close to 0 would be good but its no big problem the GT3 runs a slight camber not 8 deg though lol and yes longer coil over would be a better solution i may stick with that idea. As to a picture with stock wings ive weled th holes up so cant fit one lol but this is with the CSP wider wings, with a stock wing the wheel is in the standard position i.e not tucked



cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

started on making the adjustable tie rods today a trip to the bearing shop for these



machine up a housing



just eight more to make now lol







cheers andy

[richie]

Hi Riche it is going to be tight i have about 8 " i moved the suspension about that much to get 0 camber at ride height i couldnt land were i wanted to yes in the ideal world setting as close to 0 would be good but its no big problem the GT3 runs a slight camber not 8 deg though lol and yes longer coil over would be a better solution i may stick with that idea. As to a picture with stock wings ive weled th holes up so cant fit one lol but this is with the CSP wider wings, with a stock wing the wheel is in the standard position i.e not tucked



cheers andy

I am a little confused,are you setting this up for drag racing or circuit racing?

thanks for the pics with the wings on,so it is the same width front track as stock?


cheers richie

[Fiatdude]

Andy -- Absolutely fantasic build --- You have gone far out of the box and it looks great --May I suggest some additional small gussets on the tie rod ends -- just a little something something to keep the end to the shaft

Harold

[Andy Sykes]

Hi Riche it is going to be tight i have about 8 " i moved the suspension about that much to get 0 camber at ride height i couldnt land were i wanted to yes in the ideal world setting as close to 0 would be good but its no big problem the GT3 runs a slight camber not 8 deg though lol and yes longer coil over would be a better solution i may stick with that idea. As to a picture with stock wings ive weled th holes up so cant fit one lol but this is with the CSP wider wings, with a stock wing the wheel is in the standard position i.e not tucked



cheers andy

I am a little confused,are you setting this up for drag racing or circuit racing?

thanks for the pics with the wings on,so it is the same width front track as stock?


cheers richie

Drifting is my new plan

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

Andy -- Absolutely fantasic build --- You have gone far out of the box and it looks great --May I suggest some additional small gussets on the tie rod ends -- just a little something something to keep the end to the shaft

Harold

Cheers thanks for comments and yes that's  a good plan adding the gussets it's now a job on the list

Cheers andy

[Jon]

Why are you using axial bearings? Wouldent normal heimjoints be better prepared for the pulling/pushing forces?

[Andy Sykes]

I saw it as there will be more axle/torsional load more than tensile  load ?

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

You've got me thinking so thanks  I think I will add a radial bearing as well in the middle of the two axle bearings that should cover it

Cheers andy

[fastbus]

Hi Andy,

man, you have put some serious time in to that baby. You must have a very understanding missus.
I'm looking forward to seeing this on the track and in the pits at sometime in the future!

Inspirational work at its best!

Good luck with it fella!

[Andy Sykes]

Hi Andy,

man, you have put some serious time in to that baby. You must have a very understanding missus.
I'm looking forward to seeing this on the track and in the pits at sometime in the future!

Inspirational work at its best!

Good luck with it fella!

Cheers thanks very much, most of the time the wife has no idea what I'm doing at work, I only give the game away when I come home with holes in my clothes and smelling of burning lol

Cheers andy

[Andy Sykes]

Not much achieved today I went tool shopping not done that for while but it will save me time on the build so I don't have square all the cuts up now





Makes a nice cut



Blanks are all ready to make the rod ends



And I can also use it upright when you have fitted the table that's going to very useful when I come to make the header



I've been thinking about the thrust bearing I got and think I would be better using conical bearings I think that will cover all angles

Cheers Andy

[Jon]

I have been thinking too, Since these arms are not parallell I think you will get binding with normal bearings. Heimjoints still looks like the solution to me. Nice saw!

[Andy Sykes]

Hi the reason I don't think the helm joints will work is, if you imagine the hub in front of you the helm joint will allow movement left to right and right to left, the arms move in an arc as you know I don't think there is any side wards movement, and there is also no whiteness marks on the rubber bushes showing that, that's why after you pointed out maybe not just an axle force I think conical it works for wheels lol

Cheers andy

[Martin]

cheers andy

Andy, they are thrust bearings and cant take any side loading, they can only support axial pressure.

A Rose joint or Helm Joint is whats needed in this application.



Martin

[Andy Sykes]

Thanks for your replies but I still can't get out of my head if I use hell joint on the top two arms it will then move from side to side



Or am I over thinking it ?

Also the joints on the bottom to the hub are not fixed they are ball type joints

Cheers andy