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« on: September 10, 2014, 15:53:23 pm »

Hi does anyone have a photo of one of these headers ( and a muffler ) installed on a sedan?

looking at a stage 1 and matching muffler.

Would like to see how the muffler fits

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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2014, 16:52:28 pm »

Mee too, i have wasp stage 2 header.  I wonder how high up will the collector comes?   I have two kind of exhaus in my mind with 3" muffler..

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/540/ZnSOWX.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/674/fB65Q5.jpg
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2014, 19:12:15 pm »

Alex, the muffler we made for my Wasp is kind of like your first example, but the tube has to pass "over" the muffler on a street car to make clearance between the inner fender and the wheel.
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2014, 19:14:22 pm »

Found a pic.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2014, 21:20:12 pm »

Thanks guys but kinda wondering what the muffler setup CSP has for the Wasp looks like,  funny they have no picutres of it on thier website...
Not sure how they expect to sell any...

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2014, 22:27:41 pm »

Are you sure it actually exists yet?
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2014, 23:00:00 pm »

Are you sure it actually exists yet?

I dont know for sure but it's listed on this web page.

http://www.csp-shop.de/shop/produkte/en/products_exhaust_system_complete_exhaust_system_bug_26005a.html

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2014, 10:59:26 am »

Its a shame for the $$ that they are not tig welded or aleast it could be an option.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2014, 15:38:24 pm »

The one in the picture is the first one made by hand. The production one is much better finished!
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2014, 16:36:31 pm »

Yes very true

the one I got its mig -not tig- welded but it's made on an automated machine, not by hand, so much more beautiful than the above picture. I have the impression that tig welding as being not very productive would rise the price of the header enough, just my thought. If I could get the individual pieces unwelded though, I would probably use the tig welding for a single unit

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2014, 22:39:11 pm »

I found the muffler setup from facebook, possibly on sale at december 2014:


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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 20:46:36 pm »

I'm going to cut and clamp my A1 tailpipe (2.5"/63.5 mm) & Magnaflow muffler to the Wasp Stage 2. I'll post some pictures shortly, showing the positioning on my 68 Beetle.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2014, 11:33:28 am »

The muffler is mentioned on that page, but not listed as for sale. So they are still working on it.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2014, 16:22:14 pm »

I'm going to cut and clamp my A1 tailpipe (2.5"/63.5 mm) & Magnaflow muffler to the Wasp Stage 2. I'll post some pictures shortly, showing the positioning on my 68 Beetle.

Cool, Thanks Amigo!

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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2014, 22:54:33 pm »

The muffler should be ready from CSP sometime in December from what Ive heard.
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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2014, 01:34:44 am »

Here's a picture of my Wasp header mocked up on my '68 Beetle (swingaxle/Z-bar rear end).  There are additional pictures in my build thread: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,18568.msg311836.html#new

There's more clearance to the rear apron, than I've seen with other brands of headers (you can see the scraping on the apron from my preivous EMPI and Bugpack headers.  I'm probably going to have to reverse the A1 Magnaflow muffler and tailpipe to the left side in order to find clearance (will post muffler photos later).


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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2014, 16:01:03 pm »

i had my Stage 1 fitted on Thursday by my friend who runs a speed shop,

will post some pics later, on top of what neil had mentioned , i couldn't get the tins below the pushrods to fit at all. was somehow disappointed with this.


will try to investigate this further once i get back to it.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2014, 02:22:27 am »

sorry for the bad pics, was in a hurry . i dint even have time to start it up to hear how it sounded  Sad








header was fitted with no mods to it.
i had to
1. redo the muffler part, i reused my exiting muffler, this was expected.
2. readjust the tabs on my CSP mount, this was expected.
3. no probs with my Berg relief cover and lines.
4. removed factory air defector plates under the pushrod. i did not like this, still trying to check what went wrong or maybe my friend installed wrongly, doubt that, please take a look at the angle of the J pipes under cylinder 3-4


these pics are with the old 1.5" merged the wasp replaced.

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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2014, 02:37:14 am »


4. removed factory air defector plates under the pushrod. i did not like this, still trying to check what went wrong or maybe my friend installed wrongly, doubt that, please take a look at the angle of the J pipes under cylinder 3-4

Yes, the 3/4 pipe certainly angles sharply down through the lower sled tin.  This wasn't a problem for me, because my previous header had required me to trim the flat part of the sled tin, so there was lots of space.  It looks like the Wasp pipes are further away from the case, so I'll probably find some used tin and re-trim them (to better protect the pushrod tubes from rocks).

The thermostat fits much better with the Wasp, than the Bugpack header.  I had to use a larger dogleg rod from the shroud flaps, on the Bugpack, but just a small one on the Wasp.
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2014, 02:44:32 am »

Thanks guys I am still watching your progress, It is really hard to tell from pictures but the collector does seem to be significantly lower than most other merge systems, also Neil mentioned that the Berg Bar no longer fits, That's a deal breaker for me.  Sad
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2014, 04:17:13 am »

i personally feel it can still be improved on.  fact it was advertised that no mods required on engine tin made me a bit grumpy as i always run 100% engine tin and dont trim nothing.  i will try and put back all the tins .

see the description
http://www.csp-shop.com/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=282493964024&rub1=Exhaust%20%2F%20Heating&rub2=Exhaust%20System-Modified%2CComplete%20Exhaust%20Systems%2CBug%2FKarmann%20Ghia&artnr=26005b&pn=0&sort=&all=

the other thing was the kit was supplied with bolt on tabs to secure the pipe's tension during expansion and contraction.  on the old merged i used simple tabs and springs just like on superbikes. both works good, but i prefer the spring option, much easier to work with.


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« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2014, 10:28:43 am »

Do you need industrial sled tin? Would that work?
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2014, 06:12:51 am »

Here's a photo showing how the Wasp #3 pipe stops the Berg engine support as you try to raise the bar up to the engine.  I may experiment with creating a larger contact piece to replace the donut mount...perhaps using the Type 2 engine mount stud holes:

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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2014, 06:51:18 am »

Finally got around to test fitting the A1 Magnaflow DRK muffler.  It will only fit on the left side, as the right side is blocked by pipe #2:

Here's a side view.  There's still 25 mm between the muffler and pipe #4, so I'll probably move it a bit close...maybe 10 mm clearance in case of vibration or road bumps.  Will also angle the muffler a bit flatter and weld on a down spout to keep the exhaust from blowing outward:
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2014, 13:49:28 pm »

It's ground clearance that's the deal breaker for us circuit racers or rally crossers, we have to make our own set ups, but it's always been thus [ Attachment: You are not allowed to view attachments ] .
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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2014, 13:56:25 pm »

I was seriously considering a wasp header over the winter but I've got to be honest seeing the pics above I am not too impressed. On a street driven car there seems to be too many compromises Sad
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2014, 14:06:57 pm »

I was seriously considering a wasp header over the winter but I've got to be honest seeing the pics above I am not too impressed. On a street driven car there seems to be too many compromises Sad

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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2014, 14:56:10 pm »

I Will try the set up with the Csp muffler. Hopefully i have it in a few weeks
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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2014, 17:02:20 pm »

i have finally managed to drive my car.  i managed to fit it as per pic posted above.  apart from the few issues i have mentioned, i am very happy with how the car sounded now. the higher it revs, the better the sound.  it is a bit lumpy at idle, not much more diff than a normal merged.

next i will try to fit the sled tins or modify them to fit.


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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2014, 00:24:41 am »

Would I be wrong in assuming that the advantage of this header is that it has equal length primary's ?

Thanks in advance
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