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Eddie DVK
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #30 on:
March 03, 2019, 09:32:12 am »
Quote from: richie on March 03, 2019, 08:51:32 am
Quote from: andy198712 on March 02, 2019, 23:07:34 pm
drill the rocks to squirt oil at the springs? are they bushed rockers?
Cool, hope it works properly
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #31 on:
March 03, 2019, 14:03:26 pm »
Oil-cooled GSXRs have it Ritchie, works very well.
Maybe a small length of small diameter (brake line was a good idea) with a banjo bolt screwed thru the centre top of the rocker cover.
I also thought running a steel line between the rockers and the springs under the pivot area, but those springs are much bigger than stk, might not fit there.
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #32 on:
March 03, 2019, 17:30:07 pm »
Quote from: modnrod on March 03, 2019, 14:03:26 pm
Oil-cooled GSXRs have it Ritchie, works very well.
Maybe a small length of small diameter (brake line was a good idea) with a banjo bolt screwed thru the centre top of the rocker cover.
I also thought running a steel line between the rockers and the springs under the pivot area, but those springs are much bigger than stk, might not fit there.
Going to see how what I have done works and if its good enough leave it alone but if not then this is similar to next idea i will try
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #33 on:
March 03, 2019, 18:03:40 pm »
Quote from: modnrod on March 03, 2019, 14:03:26 pm
Oil-cooled GSXRs have it Ritchie, works very well.
Maybe a small length of small diameter (brake line was a good idea) with a banjo bolt screwed thru the centre top of the rocker cover.
I also thought running a steel line between the rockers and the springs under the pivot area, but those springs are much bigger than stk, might not fit there.
This is the solution John Brewster used to cure the valve seizing problem on the original Scat split-port heads he ran on Street Lethal back in about 1988/89. It worked well and was simple to expedite.
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NoBars
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #34 on:
March 03, 2019, 19:13:39 pm »
Incorporate sprayers in the valve covers.
E 85 is available from pump 2 miles from dinwiddie track. I live about 20 miles away. If you need a VP E85 it’s available about 5 mikes from my house.
As I told you Richie, anything I can do to help don’t hesitate to ask. I can store stuff, have mil,l lathe and tig in shop.
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #35 on:
March 03, 2019, 20:22:35 pm »
Quote from: Fastbrit on March 03, 2019, 18:03:40 pm
Quote from: modnrod on March 03, 2019, 14:03:26 pm
Oil-cooled GSXRs have it Ritchie, works very well.
Maybe a small length of small diameter (brake line was a good idea) with a banjo bolt screwed thru the centre top of the rocker cover.
I also thought running a steel line between the rockers and the springs under the pivot area, but those springs are much bigger than stk, might not fit there.
This is the solution John Brewster used to cure the valve seizing problem on the original Scat split-port heads he ran on Street Lethal back in about 1988/89. It worked well and was simple to expedite.
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #36 on:
March 03, 2019, 20:23:54 pm »
Quote from: NoBars on March 03, 2019, 19:13:39 pm
Incorporate sprayers in the valve covers.
E 85 is available from pump 2 miles from dinwiddie track. I live about 20 miles away. If you need a VP E85 it’s available about 5 mikes from my house.
As I told you Richie, anything I can do to help don’t hesitate to ask. I can store stuff, have mil,l lathe and tig in shop.
Thanks Anthony, good to know & appreciate that, we are already planning a visit to see what secrets you got there
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baz
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #37 on:
March 04, 2019, 15:58:27 pm »
Quote from: richie on March 03, 2019, 08:51:32 am
Quote from: andy198712 on March 02, 2019, 23:07:34 pm
drill the rocks to squirt oil at the springs? are they bushed rockers?
I've done this on my scat 1.4s, are your squirter holes open full time or just full lift? I'm considering making mine squirt only at full lift, my thinking is it will help maintain oil film on shaft and provide better squirt pressure when open.
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Andrew
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #38 on:
March 05, 2019, 12:34:46 pm »
Good luck!
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #39 on:
March 28, 2019, 17:22:19 pm »
Quote from: baz on March 04, 2019, 15:58:27 pm
Quote from: richie on March 03, 2019, 08:51:32 am
Quote from: andy198712 on March 02, 2019, 23:07:34 pm
drill the rocks to squirt oil at the springs? are they bushed rockers?
I've done this on my scat 1.4s, are your squirter holes open full time or just full lift? I'm considering making mine squirt only at full lift, my thinking is it will help maintain oil film on shaft and provide better squirt pressure when open.
How will you control it so its only open at full lift? I am not sure how that could be achieved, so far we just added a oiling hole to squirt onto springs & guides/valve stems and at moment am modifying shafts to get the oil from feed hole to shafts round to outlet hole
cheers Richie
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wph
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #40 on:
March 29, 2019, 20:39:59 pm »
I'd say concentrate on cooling the valve springs. Google "spintron testing" and see for valvesprings getting smoking hot in seconds while getting a light oil splash cooling.
Get the heat out of springs and the rest of the top end follows helping to keep the oil film intact between loaded metal surfaces.
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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April 09, 2019, 19:47:06 pm »
Both cars had a little test on sunday, Steve was working on launch control and trying a new rear tyre and I was testing gearbox mainly as had tps fail so no boost control
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Steve D.
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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April 10, 2019, 00:20:26 am »
Like Richie said, I was out there to try out a different tire and some launch control strategies. Since it's a beetle there really isn't any good way to bring along a second pair of wheels/tires to swap out at the track, so I want to try and do the whole week on one set which means I needed something D.O.T. approved. I had a few issues, but by the third pass I ended up with a decent starting point for Drag Week 2019.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6zhuwNTkM
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Catbox
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #43 on:
July 18, 2019, 18:56:30 pm »
Quote from: Steve D. on April 10, 2019, 00:20:26 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM6zhuwNTkM
Nice run and an excellent car...
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Steve D.
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #44 on:
July 27, 2019, 16:52:44 pm »
Six weeks to go and there's been some progress on my end. I wanted to give this year a full faith effort so I pulled the engine for a refresh/really good look at everything.
Good news is everything looked good. Bearings looked new, and cam/lifters were perfect. As long as it was apart, I figured I'd give it a little treat here and there.
Bearings went to Calico to get coated- I've never had an issue without it, but it seems to help out a lot when things go wrong.
Fresh set of rings with a little more end gap- Ring gap was fine for the power I wanted to make with this combination, but we greatly exceeded that number when it went on the dyno.
Cylinder heads looked great, just having them serviced so I know they've got a clean bill of health.
Shortblock is all back together, just need cylinder heads back and I can finish this of and stuff it back in the car.
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j-f
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #45 on:
July 28, 2019, 20:52:38 pm »
So your laundry is like an engine on stand and one on the floor?
Can't wait to follow drag week on the live stream!
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #46 on:
July 28, 2019, 21:09:04 pm »
Quote from: Steve D. on July 27, 2019, 16:52:44 pm
Six weeks to go and there's been some progress on my end. I wanted to give this year a full faith effort so I pulled the engine for a refresh/really good look at everything.
Good news is everything looked good. Bearings looked new, and cam/lifters were perfect. As long as it was apart, I figured I'd give it a little treat here and there.
Bearings went to Calico to get coated- I've never had an issue without it, but it seems to help out a lot when things go wrong.
Fresh set of rings with a little more end gap- Ring gap was fine for the power I wanted to make with this combination, but we greatly exceeded that number when it went on the dyno.
Cylinder heads looked great, just having them serviced so I know they've got a clean bill of health.
Shortblock is all back together, just need cylinder heads back and I can finish this of and stuff it back in the car.
Wish I had a month to get it all ready and not just a few days!!!
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Steve D.
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Re: Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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July 28, 2019, 21:24:22 pm »
Quote from: richie on July 28, 2019, 21:09:04 pm
Wish I had a month to get it all ready and not just a few days!!!
You know where the airport is, I'll even pick you up!
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Steve D.
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Re: Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #48 on:
July 29, 2019, 03:25:34 am »
Quote from: j-f on July 28, 2019, 20:52:38 pm
So your laundry is like an engine on stand and one on the floor?
The one on the stand is Plan A, the old nitrous engine on the floor is somewhere around Plan C.
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #49 on:
August 11, 2019, 19:43:04 pm »
4 weeks today and we will be in line at tech, only a few things to do, both cars and engines are still in pieces
and i am still in the wrong country
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nicolas
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #50 on:
August 12, 2019, 06:33:22 am »
Quote from: richie on August 11, 2019, 19:43:04 pm
i am still in the wrong country
looks more and more like it
good luck!
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j-f
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #51 on:
August 12, 2019, 20:05:30 pm »
We all need a bit of pressure to bust our ass, isn't it?
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BeetleBug
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Snabba grabben...
Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #52 on:
August 13, 2019, 10:21:29 am »
Quote from: nicolas on August 12, 2019, 06:33:22 am
looks more an more like it
Good one!
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richie
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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August 16, 2019, 05:33:59 am »
Quote from: BeetleBug on August 13, 2019, 10:21:29 am
Quote from: nicolas on August 12, 2019, 06:33:22 am
looks more an more like it
Good one!
Solved that problem
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Steve D.
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #54 on:
August 18, 2019, 20:18:02 pm »
Heads are back with a clean bill of health.
Been busy this morning.
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Stopped for lunch, just need to install the exhaust and the spinny bit then it's time to add oil and light this off.
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andy198712
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #55 on:
August 18, 2019, 22:23:49 pm »
Wow, got a build thread?
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Steve D.
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #56 on:
August 18, 2019, 23:53:03 pm »
An anticlimactic end to the day- turns out I'm out of break in oil so it's not going to be making any noise tonight.
Quote from: andy198712 on August 18, 2019, 22:23:49 pm
Wow, got a build thread?
Sorry, no. I think the few pictures I've put up on this thread are the only ones I've ever posted. Anything in particular you want a better look at?
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BeetleBug
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #57 on:
August 19, 2019, 07:13:25 am »
It looks like you are soon ready for the big event Steve. E85 and no intercooler? What intake temperatures do you see after a full boost run?
Keep the pictures coming!
-BB-
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volkskris
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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Reply #58 on:
August 19, 2019, 21:33:46 pm »
Quote from: Steve D. on August 18, 2019, 23:53:03 pm
An anticlimactic end to the day- turns out I'm out of break in oil so it's not going to be making any noise tonight.
Quote from: andy198712 on August 18, 2019, 22:23:49 pm
Wow, got a build thread?
Sorry, no. I think the few pictures I've put up on this thread are the only ones I've ever posted. Anything in particular you want a better look at?
I want to see everything about your car
looks impressive!
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Steve D.
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Re: Hot rod drag week 2019, 2 x aircooled turbo VWs at least
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August 21, 2019, 03:24:12 am »
Quote from: BeetleBug on August 19, 2019, 07:13:25 am
It looks like you are soon ready for the big event Steve. E85 and no intercooler? What intake temperatures do you see after a full boost run?
If you use a thermosister to measure IAT it's not great, if you use a good sensor it gets worse! I just don't have the space for an intercooler without cutting up the car, so I've just been really conservative with the tune until I get my head around these intake temps and what it wants for timing/fuel.
Quote from: volkskris on August 19, 2019, 21:33:46 pm
I want to see everything about your car
looks impressive!
Thank you. Stephan did an article on the car for Hot VW's, so there's a pretty good look at it in the August 2019 issue- you should be able to get back issues direct from Hot VW's.
While I was waiting on parts I added a few sensors, so I ended up spending longer than I wanted getting everything set up and configured, but it runs now. Just a few small things to button up but we're definitely closing in on something!
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