Small powerhouses and old school

[Lee.C]

That car is just AMAZING and pete is a super nice guy.... Always ready to chat 

[Jee Ent.]

What! Are you running a 6-speed tranny?

Here is Peter's description of the tranny(cut and past from page 21 in this tread).

"Its a Hewland JFR 6 speed sequential shift gearbox with straight cut gears and dog engagement. Its a smaller and cheaper version of their well known FTR box. They get used in formula 3 cars and some single make formula cars like Formula BMW, Chevron also use them in their new car single make racing series."

This is old news Jee, you need to pay attention to what goes on here on the Lounge 

You guys are keeping me way to busy.. Machining, burgereating, weddings and working the dyno takes to much of my web-time 

I guess I have to work the google on this one...

[Peter Shattock]

I was planning on just working on the car tonight, but it’s been a nice day here I thought I might just go for a drive instead.  Good choice as it turns out as I’ve been on holiday the last 2 weeks and hadn’t been out in the car for nearly 4 weeks and it was just nice to get out in it.
It was a great razz round for an hour or so, just driving nowhere and having fun changing gear. The noise in the car with the clutch less shifts is very addictive and the forward motion in general is just mad on the street.  There is not the room to really let it off, or at least not on the little local roads I was driving on, but a quick blast here and there to get pinned back in the seat is all it takes…...
Even got back in the garage and did a bit work on the new battery box and dry sump tank mounts so a bit of fun and some progress on the to do list too.
I’m not sure why, but just driving round like a bit of an idiot in a silly old car is still a lot of fun for some reason.
Happiness is a Hot VW.

[Taylor]

What kind of dry sump pump will you use??

[BeetleBug]

I was planning on just working on the car tonight, but it’s been a nice day here I thought I might just go for a drive instead.  Good choice as it turns out as I’ve been on holiday the last 2 weeks and hadn’t been out in the car for nearly 4 weeks and it was just nice to get out in it.
It was a great razz round for an hour or so, just driving nowhere and having fun changing gear. The noise in the car with the clutch less shifts is very addictive and the forward motion in general is just mad on the street.  There is not the room to really let it off, or at least not on the little local roads I was driving on, but a quick blast here and there to get pinned back in the seat is all it takes…...
Even got back in the garage and did a bit work on the new battery box and dry sump tank mounts so a bit of fun and some progress on the to do list too.
I’m not sure why, but just driving round like a bit of an idiot in a silly old car is still a lot of fun for some reason.
Happiness is a Hot VW.

A truly inspirational summary! Thanks Peter.

-BB-

[Peter Shattock]

The new pump will be the little CB 21mm / 26mm one.

I think I'll need to sneak in a few more drives before it comes apart for the winter whilst the weather is still good.

Peter

[dannyboy]

october 12th at shakey wold be a good time to do a bit of late season testing peter ;-)

[stretch]

october 12th at shakey wold be a good time to do a bit of late season testing peter ;-)

I agree !!   

[Taylor]

The new pump will be the little CB 21mm / 26mm one.

I think I'll need to sneak in a few more drives before it comes apart for the winter whilst the weather is still good.

Peter

Do you think the CB pump will be adequate??  I'm really curious as to your thoughts. Im in the market too and was wondering about their pump.

[Peter Shattock]

Nice thought in principal Danny, but unless I cut a hole in the floor pan and do an ‘Ant Hill Mob’ I might be a little uncompetitive, as the motor and gearbox will be out of the car by then! Good luck to you though and I hope the weather behaves.

Hi Taylor,

As far as the CB pump is concerned the truthful answer is I don’t know if it will work yet, so don’t feel like I’m in a position to say. This will be the first time I’ve used a dry sump system myself.

Regardless I always think it’s very difficult to make comparisons about what might work with one combination relative to another when there are so many potential variables. Not only that I think you really need to understand all the issues before giving any advice and to be honest I struggle to understand the issues with my car let alone anyone else’s!

All that said I’m happy to let you know how it works out once I know.

Peter

[dannyboy]

peak performance on the 20th of this month peter 

[Peter Shattock]

Danny, I'll not be racing again this year I was actually referring to doing a bit more driving on the street in my earlier message.

I've not done nearly enough of that over recent years, but I got out again this weekend till rain stopped play. Hopefully I'll get a few more drives in before next Tuesday when the motor comes out and the work for next year starts properly.

Its all very well having a street car, but its a bit of a waste of time going to all the extra hassle and expense if you don't drive it on the road, which as I've said I've been guilty of the past few years!

Peter

[58vw]

awesome Peter

[Ian Brown]

Just got my 1300cc Twinport back from GAC after a rebuild...126bhp@7400, 96ft/lb@5500 (still has 92ft/lb@7400!!) Alan knows how to build a motor.
Spec: 1285cc, 44 webers, Cam FK10, rockers 1:25.1 inlets 1:1 exhaust, VW twinport heads with stock size valves, CR 11:6.1, running on Sunoco RMR fuel, Cooling by ram air, 12v fan and twin external oil coolers.

Beetle runs in HSCC Historic Touring Car Championship (That means swing axles and corning at 90mph on 120mm & 135mm wide crossplys...oh yes)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qLplbU9ZvDs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qLplbU9ZvDs</a>

[chopper476]

Just got my 1300cc Twinport back from GAC after a rebuild...126bhp@7400, 96ft/lb@5500 (still has 92ft/lb@7400!!) Alan knows how to build a motor.
Spec: 1285cc, 44 webers, Cam FK10, rockers 1:25.1 inlets 1:1 exhaust, VW twinport heads with stock size valves, CR 11:6.1, running on Sunoco RMR fuel, Cooling by ram air, 12v fan and twin external oil coolers.

Beetle runs in HSCC Historic Touring Car Championship (That means swing axles and corning at 90mph on 120mm & 135mm wide crossplys...oh yes)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qLplbU9ZvDs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qLplbU9ZvDs</a>

That's awesome! What a car! Cool that your circuit racing and up against other classics (Lotus Cortina looked nice), and 126 from a 1300cc is awesome, roughly 100bhp per litre!!!!!

[Frodo]

Just got my 1300cc Twinport back from GAC after a rebuild...126bhp@7400, 96ft/lb@5500 (still has 92ft/lb@7400!!) Alan knows how to build a motor.
Spec: 1285cc, 44 webers, Cam FK10, rockers 1:25.1 inlets 1:1 exhaust, VW twinport heads with stock size valves, CR 11:6.1, running on Sunoco RMR fuel, Cooling by ram air, 12v fan and twin external oil coolers.

Beetle runs in HSCC Historic Touring Car Championship (That means swing axles and corning at 90mph on 120mm & 135mm wide crossplys...oh yes)

WOW!!! Thanks for sharing. Love the song from that little engine!
Great numbers too!

[Ian Brown]

This rebuild gives me an extra 10bhp to take into next season, along with some weight reduction (minimum weight 720kg with driver) currently around 755kg.

The racing is for pre 1965 cars and I'm lapping quicker than half the Mini Coopers, a couple of Lotus Cortinas, several Alfa guilias, Imps, a Ford Anglia, Triumph 2500cc, Mustang and a 7 litre Galaxie!...The quickest of the Minis and V8's are well out of my reach at the moment mind you, so still work to do.

Already collecting parts for a mega narrow, mega light 1298cc motor (83mm bore with a custom 60mm Scat crank) The extra bore will allow us to run big valves, so expect a lot more power from this one....On paper it should be around the 145-150bhp mark.   

[Torben Alstrup]

Already collecting parts for a mega narrow, mega light 1298cc motor (83mm bore with a custom 60mm Scat crank) The extra bore will allow us to run big valves, so expect a lot more power from this one....On paper it should be around the 145-150bhp mark.  

Mini formula 1  

Sounds good.
And good that you got some more CR into it. That helps a lot in keeping the torque so the car doesnt get left behind out of the corners.
Good job.

T

PS It actually sounds more nippy now. It looks like it pick up the gears really well for what it is.

[Lee.C]

Cool racing and a Cool engine 

[Udo]

That sounds good , may be you need some shorter gears ?

Udo

[dannyboy]

Just got my 1300cc Twinport back from GAC after a rebuild...126bhp@7400, 96ft/lb@5500 (still has 92ft/lb@7400!!) Alan knows how to build a motor.
Spec: 1285cc, 44 webers, Cam FK10, rockers 1:25.1 inlets 1:1 exhaust, VW twinport heads with stock size valves, CR 11:6.1, running on Sunoco RMR fuel, Cooling by ram air, 12v fan and twin external oil coolers.

Beetle runs in HSCC Historic Touring Car Championship (That means swing axles and corning at 90mph on 120mm & 135mm wide crossplys...oh yes)
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qLplbU9ZvDs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qLplbU9ZvDs</a>

i was looking at this motor the other day just before it went on the dyno  be interesting what it would do over the 1/4  alans motors are great and his service is great too 

[Zach Gomulka]

What is your gearing like?

[Ian Brown]

The gearing is slightly too low, i'm hitting 8000rpm at silverstone at 108mph, so this year I tried taller tyres which to up that to 113mph, but in reality it actually hurt the lap times. Should be able to get near to 111-113mph next year with a tow off someone....you can get a good 3-4 mph with a good tow.

Gears are 2:90, 1:86, 1:41, 1:13, R&P 4:86, so the maximum speeds in each gear are somewhere around 45, 68, 90, 113mph

First gear is 10mph taller than stock which will be useless at the drags as I have to slip the clutch for a few seconds. Computer calculations say it should run a low 14, but realistically I should be looking at somewhere around the 15's

I've only taken it to the drags once in 2009 with the engine popping and stuttering all the way, so much so I couldn't use 3rd gear as the engine would die. at the time the engine was fouling it's plugs, so would run like crap on the 1/4, then clear itself and pull clean and strong on the return road (very annoying)...ran a 17:1@82mph (in second gear!)

I'll take it to the drags this year. Is there a world or european 1300cc 1/4 mile and speed record?.....If there isn't, I guess i'll have to set some.

[dannyboy]

walter (airspeed) on here setup some speed events up north over a mile i think he is doing it again this year ,im sure he will be along to comment on here soon,elvington mile i think its called

[Chris bugster]

Really sweet sounding motor. More power than most 1776s.

[Jesus]

The gearing is slightly too low, i'm hitting 8000rpm at silverstone at 108mph, so this year I tried taller tyres which to up that to 113mph, but in reality it actually hurt the lap times. Should be able to get near to 111-113mph next year with a tow off someone....you can get a good 3-4 mph with a good tow.

Gears are 2:90, 1:86, 1:41, 1:13, R&P 4:86, so the maximum speeds in each gear are somewhere around 45, 68, 90, 113mph

First gear is 10mph taller than stock which will be useless at the drags as I have to slip the clutch for a few seconds. Computer calculations say it should run a low 14, but realistically I should be looking at somewhere around the 15's

I've only taken it to the drags once in 2009 with the engine popping and stuttering all the way, so much so I couldn't use 3rd gear as the engine would die. at the time the engine was fouling it's plugs, so would run like crap on the 1/4, then clear itself and pull clean and strong on the return road (very annoying)...ran a 17:1@82mph (in second gear!)

I'll take it to the drags this year. Is there a world or european 1300cc 1/4 mile and speed record?.....If there isn't, I guess i'll have to set some.

http://www.apexfestival.co.uk/save-the-date/index.html

I am certain Simon would love to have you along to this event, if your interested you can get in touch with him simon@apexfestival.co.uk

They have a bunch of circuit beetles there from all kinds of series, including a pack of cars coming from the daily cup series that runs in France

[Ian Brown]

[quote I am certain Simon would love to have you along to this event, if your interested you can get in touch with him simon@apexfestival.co.uk. They have a bunch of circuit beetles there from all kinds of series, including a pack of cars coming from the daily cup series that runs in France quote]

I've been in contact with Simon for some time as I'd planned to run in both the Beetle Challenge and Historic Touring Car Championships but i've either had car trouble or the race dates between the two Championships have clashed.

The Apex Festival as ever, clashes with the Silverstone round of Historic Touring Car which happens on the Sunday, so the plan is to race at the Apex festival on the Saturday, then race with the Historics on the Sunday....Really looking forward to seeing how my Beetle handles on proper semi-slicks compared to the Beetle Challenge cars which run very different suspension setups to me.

[Ian Brown]

BREAKING NEWS...We could be seeing an oval Beetle racing at the Goodwood Revival next year.

Met up with Geoff Turrel the other day who is building an Oval to race in HRDC Historic Touring Car with an invite to race in the revival looking likely. The HRDC/Goodwood Revival rule book isn't strictly 'period perfect' so don't worry, it won't be lagging round the back of the field with a gutless 1200cc motor, instead it'll be a 1641 running 48IDA's so expect some serious speed.

Watch this space for updates on the build over the next few months.

[nicolas]

cool! and very impressive video. the engine sounds awesome.

[Ian Brown]

cool! and very impressive video. the engine sounds awesome.

Thanks...although 8000rpm sounds better from the outside. Mine's the second car through
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/_6562X3hF-I" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/_6562X3hF-I</a>