Oberg or Fram HP1

[John Maher]

Canton filters down to 8 microns and flows so well there's no need for a bypass valve

That's what I call a PROPER filter

Filter element isn't re-usable but replacements are reasonably priced

Gets my vote 

[Jim Ratto]

I'm surprised how unknown the Canton is in the VW drag scene.
Among the circle track guys, they're like a pre-requisite.

[Zach Gomulka]

Some good info on this thread. Thanks to all involved

http://www.cmfilters.com/

[Cheesepanzer]

Thanks for the tips on the Canton filter.

What's the preferred filter set-up - the remote mount like the #1281 or the spin-on filter like the #1284?

I found this with some pricing and replacement filter info:
http://s2.pegasusautoracing.com/2008/069.pdf

[John Maher]

What's the preferred filter set-up - the remote mount like the #1281 or the spin-on filter like the #1284?

If you've already plumbed a conventional style filter, #1284 is a straight swap - screws straight in (3/4 x 16)

Starting from scratch you have the option...
#1281 saves having to buy a regular oil filter mount but you'll need to add in a couple of hose adapters eg #12 to #8
It's a little more work to access the filter element - easiest to remove the unit from the car

[pupjoint]

http://www.cantonracingproducts.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=25-262



25-262 - CM -15 BILLET SPIN-ON FILTER 3/4-16 (25-262)

The 4-1/4" tall BILLET spin-on filter has 3/4"-16 thread and a standard o-ring. It accepts CM’s -15 2-5/8" high synthetic fiber depth filter element which flows 15 GPM of hot engine oil with no loss of pressure. It has a 3" dia. heavy duty light weight billet aluminum housing and a blue anodized finish. 
Our Price: $99.60 



seems to be the same as John described, p/n 1284, but this has a diff part number.

[Prowagen]

I allways use MAN filters oil stays clear very long.
Michael

Good filters I think VW even recomment MANN filters.


John I understand what your saying about the pitfalls of the oberg and other cleanable filters that bypass under high pressure, but disposable canister filters do this too!
Not sure what F1 teams use but I am sure its not a HP1 or similar! My main point here is for people to stay clear of HP1's they are not good!

Now the Canton that looks like a nice bit of kit.

Rob.

[John Maher]

My main point here is for people to stay clear of HP1's they are not good!

Agree on the HP1 - they used to be a good quality filter but like so many things nowadays, you can't rely on a part to have the same quality several years on just because it carries the same name.
Suppliers and manufacturers get swallowed up by large companies. Corners are cut to lower costs. They rely on 'branding' to push profits up, while quality goes down.

Only way they'll learn the error of their ways is if the consumer hits them where it hurts i.e. stop buying their piss poor products and spend your money with the good guys 

Not sure what F1 teams use but I am sure its not a HP1 or similar!

I doubt F1 has used a paper element filter (let alone a washable strainer!) for years
http://www.magnom.com/index.php/tech/howitworks/
Removes particles smaller than 1 micron! 

[Harry/FDK]

I'm surprised how unknown the Canton is in the VW drag scene.
Among the circle track guys, they're like a pre-requisite.

 
What more can i say ! I'm using the Canton spin-on (with removable bottom plate) for years. No more
System One or Fram for me. Although i use the System One as a pre-filter for break-ins.

PS. Canton uses the same filtering medium for their fuel filters as well....

[Harry/FDK]

I doubt F1 has used a paper element filter (let alone a washable strainer!) for years
http://www.magnom.com/index.php/tech/howitworks/
Removes particles smaller than 1 micron! 

Thanks for the Link !

[Harry/FDK]

What's the preferred filter set-up - the remote mount like the #1281 or the spin-on filter like the #1284?

If you've already plumbed a conventional style filter, #1284 is a straight swap - screws straight in (3/4 x 16)

Starting from scratch you have the option...
#1281 saves having to buy a regular oil filter mount but you'll need to add in a couple of hose adapters eg #12 to #8
It's a little more work to access the filter element - easiest to remove the unit from the car

If you just would like to swap from HP1 ( 3/4 - 16)  there's the Canton # 25-462.
Unfortunately they do not make the removable 4 bolt bottom - filter anymore.
 

[Harry/FDK]

The Canton oil-filter with four bolts at the bottom is back again.

[Peter]

Where did you order yours Harry?
directly from the US?

[Harry/FDK]

Yep, no problems with shipping either.

[pupjoint]

Harry, which vendor did you use? i have the System 1 now, just remove and bolt on?

[Martin]

I have used HP1 and System 1

I have now changed to Canton, I have had to turn down the Preshure on the pump as the prshure drop accross the media is much less. Its also a lot smaller than the system1 set up.

You have to bare in mind im using a Peterson V8 style of pump on my car

as for looking at the filter, once its been in the oil for a few weeks you can pull the filter apart and roll out the media, its amazing what it catches!


Canton all the way for me now, can't recomend them enough (and there cheeper than system 1's)

[bilboa2]

canton mecca on street car.. Cause jim rattto said so....A little painting done to matching color of inset brm spoke area.  Hangs a little low but not dangerous. My Baja has k and n spin on. Have dealt with many oberg motors and like to be able open it and see what's going on, rod brng, shop rag lint, rtv.. messy deal  though, depends where you mount it, sometimes can unbolt then let it hang into a drain pan . bill

[kingsburgphil]

As usual nicely done.  Any chance on getting Clyde to weld up a couple of sumps like yours? 

[karl h]

i use system one for break in (the same one on every engine i build), after checking i use a paper filter afterwards - with the berg relief cover i cant blow it

[bilboa2]

Phil, that would be dougs work not clyde. Doug is so meticulous in his work. I am so fortunate to have him close by. Sump holds alot of oil, it gets VERY warm here in nevada , no over heating issues. I believe it's design helps, along with deck lid propped, thermostat controlled fan, 9.2 comp. etc . Maybe if enough people requested ? 

[Harry/FDK]

Harry, which vendor did you use? i have the System 1 now, just remove and bolt on?

Directly from Canton / Mecca.
Just remove and bolt on.

[-Alex-]

How about CSP oilfilter? Is it bad as rest of billet washable filters? I have one, but i havent used it.


http://www.machine7.com/section.php?xSec=102

[Harry/FDK]

You just can't beat 8 Micron filtration (without by-pass). My 2 cts.

[Hotrodvw]

I've been using the WIX 51515R filter.  This website led me to it, along with the recommendation of others as well.  When the filter is cut apart, you can see how many paper pleats are used......more pleats = more surface area = better filtration.  Also, some filters, such as the HP! from Fram, use a plastic bypass valve.  Plastic gets hard and brittle with heat.  The last thing you want is a chunk of plastic in your motor.  The Wix filter's bypass is made of rubber, which will hold up to heat better. 

Here's some good reading for you guys.   

http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html#wix

[Harry/FDK]

The Canton oil-filter with four bolts at the bottom is back again (thus making life easy): 25-414 - CM 6.25" BILLET SPIN-ON FILTER 1" -12 THREAD 2 5/8 O-RING (25-414)

Update for my stupid mistake: The correct part# must be 25-464, it has 3/4 x 16 thread and the endcap is removable with 4 bolts.
My apologies for the error. (Thanks PUPJOINT).

25-464 - CM 6.25" BILLET SPIN-ON FILTER 3/4" -16 THREAD 2 5/8 O-RING (25-464)

NEW!
This 6.25" tall billet spin-on filter has 3/4"-16 threads and a standard size o-ring. Like all CM filters it features a billet aluminum body built for strength and durability for a lifetime of use. Heat sink ribs add to filter's functionality and aggressive aesthetic. The filters bottom cap is easily removed with four bolts for filter element inspection and replacement. A CM 4-5/8" tall synthetic fiber filter element which flows 45 GPM of hot engine oil with no loss of pressure and filters down to 8 microns comes preinstalled

[glenn]

You just can't beat 8 Micron filtration (without by-pass). My 2 cts.

Been using one for 8 years now and it saved my engine when a valve spring broke and the pushrod chewed up the aluminum Pauter rocker and  dumped shavings in the oil. Nothing got past the filter and after a few kerosene flushes the engine was fine.

[Harry/FDK]

Like i wrote earlier: Canton uses the same filter-medium for their fuel filters. You might change the o-ring for Viton...

[-Alex-]

Ok, time to change filter       Information is correct about what CM filter fits to vw filter mounts?

[Udo]

I like the CSP,Jay Cee and Geers filter. Easy to clean and works nice-

Udo

[Udo]

canton mecca on street car.. Cause jim rattto said so....A little painting done to matching color of inset brm spoke area.  Hangs a little low but not dangerous. My Baja has k and n spin on. Have dealt with many oberg motors and like to be able open it and see what's going on, rod brng, shop rag lint, rtv.. messy deal  though, depends where you mount it, sometimes can unbolt then let it hang into a drain pan . bill

This is much too long if you want to go racing .

Udo