1700 engines back in the day

[Torben Alstrup]

wow, a 1700 with a w125 cam.
that must be pretty high strung, right? a bear to drive on the streets i suppose

Not really. With good heads they pull surprisingly good, also in the lower rpms. I have done a couple with a C45 cam though along with 1,25 rockers. They typicaly pull just low of 120 hp @6 grand. The last fast mouse motor I built was a 1745cc. (I know, more stroke.) ported 043 cylinderheads 40/35 valves, 9,5 - 1 cr, C45 w. 1,3 rockers, 40 Dells, Unilite ignition and a 1½" mergeheader. It made 127 hp @ 6000 rpm and a whopping 176NM torque peaking at 3800 rpm - A blast to drive. I will say though, that it is kinda hard to stay at the speed limit because it REALLY likes to cruise between 3700 and 4500 rpm.
Though it likes rpm it is not high strung. You can short shift it if you want, but you dont
T
PS. The term "fast" may sound a bit beat up in comparison to say JPM´s 196 hp 1600.  On the other hand, this is a street motor that is supposed to have a long life.

[Diederick/DVK]

nice one!
sounds good torben!

[maX cal-look]

Really interesting post !

Nobody have experience with 42dcnf ? I will build a 1679cc with 42dcnf and every config are about IDA !! 

Thank's to continue to write yours experiences ... that's really good !

[Donny B.]

Nobody have experience with 42dcnf ? I will build a 1679cc with 42dcnf and every config are about IDA !!

42dcnfs rock!  On the third Gene Berg Cruise Steve Hollingsworth drove his car with a 1600 and dual 42s on it.  It drove great.  They are so smooth without flat spots and you can get pretty good gas mileage with them.  DCNFs are the only duals I have ever run.  I have a set of 42s and a set of 44s.

[Frenchy Dehoux]

    Hi Frank

     The 88's are the all aluminum EMPI marked on the edges of the cylinders (slipper skits ) I remember a few years back some of us had visited Eric Ballard shop in Riverside and he had a wall stacked up with the same style EMPI cylinders new in the box.

Take care
 Frenchy

[richie]

    Hi Frank

     The 88's are the all aluminum EMPI marked on the edges of the cylinders (slipper skits ) I remember a few years back some of us had visited Eric Ballard shop in Riverside and he had a wall stacked up with the same style EMPI cylinders new in the box.

Take care
 Frenchy

Eric still has a good hoard there    now wether he would actually sell them is another question??

cheers richie,uk

[Zach Gomulka]

Supposedly they are for sale at $2k a set...

[The Ideaman]

What about the old Norris cams?  Or Dial in Cams?  I remember seeing those back in the day.

[C.O.R.]

Hi Frenchy,

Thanks for the information, I thought as much...what a great "find!"

Aloha, F

[nicolas]

UP! just to help out Fabs and it has some really cool pics of Daves car in it!

[speedwell]

UP! just to help out Fabs and it has some really cool pics of Daves car in it!

thx 

[RFbuilt]

wow i missed this thread haha

awesome read (though short.. wish there was more discush on it)

im doing a

88x69  and a
88x74

 

[bilboa2]

deano, could have that 1700 been kieth goss's? I remember when the story was his 1700 was against guy newhouses' 1700 and kieths made 5 more hp.Both worked at fat,speaking of 1700's/1776. I was racing the sonic muffin in seattle with doug berg's 1776 k10, (pump gas)when I broke a hockey stick and clyde broke his 2.0 litre motor in his orange car. We (ha-ha)put the 1776 in clydes car. I ran it (did a nice wheelie)with the 1776 and ran 12 .60 and clyde ran it with a 12.30.That's a nice 1776. Dyno was right on the aronson/holmes 1700. It was my only car and ran great with bigger intakes and stock exh. valves/110cam.. Sold it as dyno got envolved it, poor service as cristi let the car slide downhill as alot of people "touched it" for service.BUT ... WHERE is that car bill

[deano]

deano, could have that 1700 been kieth goss's? I remember when the story was his 1700 was against guy newhouses' 1700 and kieths made 5 more hp.Both worked at fat,speaking of 1700's/1776. I was racing the sonic muffin in seattle with doug berg's 1776 k10, (pump gas)when I broke a hockey stick and clyde broke his 2.0 litre motor in his orange car. We (ha-ha)put the 1776 in clydes car. I ran it (did a nice wheelie)with the 1776 and ran 12 .60 and clyde ran it with a 12.30.That's a nice 1776. Dyno was right on the aronson/holmes 1700. It was my only car and ran great with bigger intakes and stock exh. valves/110cam.. Sold it as dyno got envolved it, poor service as cristi let the car slide downhill as alot of people "touched it" for service.BUT ... WHERE is that car bill

Yep, I forgot all about Guy Newhouse. It was Guy and Keith who built the other two 1700cc that ran good on F&A dyno, not Mike Billings..

[kingsburgphil]

If I recall correctly the Newhouse/Goss era at FAT preceded Billings and me. The last I heard of Guy Newhouse he had gone to Nissan (corp), one sharp cookie.
Also in that time frame (75?) Guy built a 1700 with 911 heads as a proof of concept, good for 170 hp. I was just a customer of Ron & Greg at the time, so a lot went on that I'm not aware of. 

[RhoadsVW]

just off  topic    dave what the size of the front tyre used on those empi 5
rgd
fabs

hi Fabian,they were 165/15s from Uniroyal

Dave Rhoads

OOPS!!!!   Sorry Fabin,  they were 155/15s from Uniroyal.   Sorry took so long to catch the mistake.  Just looked at this topic coming back to the top and noticed it.    Dave Rhoads

[nicolas]

thanks for helping out.  (even after a year  )

so why did nobody step up to a W120, but went for a W125 insted? 

[Sarge]

If I recall correctly the Newhouse/Goss era at FAT preceded Billings and me. The last I heard of Guy Newhouse he had gone to Nissan (corp), one sharp cookie.
Also in that time frame (75?) Guy built a 1700 with 911 heads as a proof of concept, good for 170 hp. I was just a customer of Ron & Greg at the time, so a lot went on that I'm not aware of. 

Guy is still alive and well... heard from him a few months ago.

[RFbuilt]

and why havent you told him to get here yet? 

juz playin!


but honestly.. it would be cool i he was around to post..

must have more  stories for us newbs (i think only me haha the newb)  to delv on to

[Diederick/DVK]

trying to get a cool topic back up here
how about the head work on the 1700/w110 engines?
i suppose smallish ports aiming for high velocity? i'm referring to making 35/32 heads work

[kingsburgphil]

About 30 years back we had a 1700 in an old FV racecar. 40mm intakes, stock ex valves, round ports, 110 cam, 48's /32 mm vents. It made a 100 hp. on pump gas, very tractable and a lot of fun in a 950 lb. car. As a side note we ran 356B rear brakes and Carrera fronts......"more whoa than go". 

[Bewitched666]

My hot 1700cc engine had:
69 cw crank from bugpack
40x35.5 bugpack p%p heads
w120 cam
12 lbs flywheel
Kennedy stage 1 clutch
40mm dells and ran like hell.
Heads had rondports
After that i switched to IDA's and it was a beast.

After that i went to a 1914cc engine with same haeds etc only a w125 cam,killer engine

[Cheesepanzer]

Nobody have experience with 42dcnf ? I will build a 1679cc with 42dcnf and every config are about IDA !!

42dcnfs rock!  On the third Gene Berg Cruise Steve Hollingsworth drove his car with a 1600 and dual 42s on it.  It drove great.  They are so smooth without flat spots and you can get pretty good gas mileage with them.  DCNFs are the only duals I have ever run.  I have a set of 42s and a set of 44s.

I agree 110%.  I had terriffic luck with a set of 44 DCNF's with 36mm vents on a pretty hot 1776cc.  I regret selling those carbs.  Mileage in the 32 to 36 mpg was pretty typical on the highway.  And the unique sound they make is awesome!!!

[Worm]

In 79 (senior in high school) and 80 in my 56, I ran a cleaned up, super glossy black painted tin, 1641 single relief case, stock heads partially hand polished, no cam and an external oil cooler mounted above the trans (with slightly leaky hoses), with a big ol slice of Solex 40P11's with those enormously tall velocity stacks.  Can you say...................Baaaaaaawg.   Loved the look of those 40P11's.  They were DEFINATELY the poor mans 48's.  Looked (almost) as big or bigger with those stacks.............. hah

Holly Bug Spray eh Sarge?  Those were as much trouble as a mother in law for a next door neighbor.....

Oh I forgot to mention that I ran a big ol traction bar hanging low and solid motor/trans mounts.  Woo hoo.... Too funny how hard that little motor was bolted in.  Ridiculous actually.  You HAD to have a traction bar underneath so everyone would think you had a big motor.  funny
Any one ever hit a big bump and knock one of those suckers right off the bottom of the case?  You'd pull over, look underneath and it's hangin' like a tire swing.  Shrug shoulders... unhook the rods and throw it in the back seat.  Now THOSE were the days.  Now why are'nt you nostalgia guys running traction bars more often?  We made em ourselves out of square tube angle iron.

Why do so many want their rides to be like the "old" days?  Nostalgia is awesome but why when you can pull the wheels off the ground with new stuff?  Hah

[rick m]

I really like small stroke (or 69mm stroke) motors. While it was not my first motor, my 1700 was one of the most fun and reliable motors I had built. It had an Engle 110 cam, 40mm x 35mm valve heads (home modified ports), deep sump, 69mm counterweighted crank, lightened flywheel and balanced engine assembly, full flow case, stock rockers with swivel feet, chromoly push rods, a centrifugal advance distributor we found from an early VW (#BRS 383) with a cap that the wires came out of the side, and a set of dual 44 webers.  I did not want to run IDAs on this motor at the time.  I ran a heavy duty bus pressure plate (200mm). It had an 1 1/2" merged exhaust and single quiet pack style muffler.  I ran NGK plugs in it.

It was incredibly smooth and reliable, great on road trip mileage too.  I included a shot of the motor below. It was in my white 67 my wife and I built as newlyweds in the mid 70's.

Rick Mortensen

[RFbuilt]

thats a sweet pic, even nicer knowing  u guys built it as newlyweds,


so this a 88x69 ?  awesome!!

one of my motors to be assembled will be  an 88x69 with a similar grind to 110

[rick m]

Yeah...My wife was not much of a car person but supported me regardless.  She has been a solid support for 34 years now. It was a 69 x 88 motor with the 110. Was a great combination. I toyed with going to a 120 Engle but the 110 worked so well for driveability and bottom end response that I never went bigger.  I bracket raced it occassionally.  It was a 7.8 to one motor that I could run on pump gas.  Of course pump gas in 1976-77 was a little better quality and octane.

Rick Mortensen

[RFbuilt]

any 1/4 e.t.s on it?

sure sounds like a peppy motor!

[rick m]

It was not that fast. I had stock gears in my trans with a 4.12 R&P for street driving. So, it was not killer fast.  The best I ever cranked out of it was a 15.65.  Take into consideration it was a full interior too. I did not build it to be fast...just to be a good freeway driver. With more compression, cam and 48s, obviously the motor would have come alive.

Rick M

[maX cal-look]

Soo funny,
this Post was open 2 years before, and today I will start my news engin !
Just finish to open yesterday !



Btw, the config will be =
1641cc + 42 dcnf + engle 120 + rockets 1.25 + 041 ...etc.
when I read the start of this topic, I want do 1679cc ( so thas always a small one ! )