front mounted oil coolers?

[Rasser]

Just to confirm with you Rasser, you found this oil cooler at your local Mercedes dealer or did you take it from a old car?

I like the small and neat size of it. I noticed Setrab is also selling some small ones.

Best rgs
BB

I bought it new from a "Cooler-shop" that sells replacement coolers for all manufactures.  If I remember right then it has 22x1,5 male fittings. If I were to do it again, then I would have these fittings cut off, and welded some alu. AN fittings on instead.

[Jim Ratto]

That's a BEHR oil cooler off a W123 or W116 turbo diesel. Part # is 1161801765

Used on 300D and CD turbo W123 cars and 300SD W116 (and I think W126 too)

[Diederick/DVK]

can you see the retail price as well, jim?

and rasser, how about those mounts?

[Rasser]

That's a BEHR oil cooler off a W123 or W116 turbo diesel. Part # is 1161801765

Used on 300D and CD turbo W123 cars and 300SD W116 (and I think W126 too)

W123 rings a bell....  think that´s the one!

and rasser, how about those mounts?

I made two brackets that attaches to the top of my gearbox mount and the cooler - Nothing fancy, but a nice and solid construction. It´s bolted in for easy removal.
You can actually see it if you look closer at the pictures 

[Jim Ratto]

List price from MBZ is $570.00 USD

[Rasser]

Monkiboy: Forgot one thing - the cooler is mounted a bit higher than the front sparewheel housing (don´t know the correct word, but you know the front part of the body that carries the spare wheel. My guess is that the cooler is maybe 5cm higher than this location. Add to this that the spare wheel housing is IN FRONT of the front wheels, and the oilcooler is BETWEEN the rear wheels. No problems on an "ass up" cal-looker  

[Rasser]

List price from MBZ is $570.00 USD

WOOOW, that´s insane.

This weekend I saw them at VW show, new in the box for 175euros - which is roughly what I payed a few years ago!

[j-f]

I pay something like 150€ for mine in a auto parts shop. That's not a genuine Mercedez Benz.

[Lee.C]

Monkiboy: Forgot one thing - the cooler is mounted a bit higher than the front sparewheel housing (don´t know the correct word, but you know the front part of the body that carries the spare wheel. My guess is that the cooler is maybe 5cm higher than this location. Add to this that the spare wheel housing is IN FRONT of the front wheels, and the oilcooler is BETWEEN the rear wheels. No problems on an "ass up" cal-looker  

Hmmm interesting you mention that because I was just thinking about this again  and the "Front valance" spare wheel area probably comes into this on VERY low cars  - I read somewhere in an hotrod magazine that NOTHING should ever be mounted below the "Scrub line" which is the imaginary rectangle/line drawn between the lowest point of the 4 road wheels,

Hmmmm another reason NOT to go too low at the front guys 

[Arnoud]

Rasser-were you at the Maikäfertreffen in Hannover last weekend?

[Diederick/DVK]

live report from the mercedes dealer here.
that cooler costs 221 EUR excluding VAT. more expensive than my cagero cooler, so i don't feel too bad after all 

[Rasser]

Rasser-were you at the Maikäfertreffen in Hannover last weekend?

Yes. We had fun!
This was my first time at hannover, and we will be back next year. Mels diner were so cool;)

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this is mine alu oil cooler from CSP. Racimex brand.

I´m gonna put it near the gearbox behind the left swingaxle.

[Diederick/DVK]

nice! is that thermostat from csp as well? i still need one...

[181]

Yes the thermostat is from CSP too. it should be preset at 80°C and they have two versions - this one with push on 1/2" hose rigid fittings and a more expensive version with threaded holes for whatewer fittings you like..

[Rasser]

I´m running the thermostat with threaded holes from CSP. Works really well, and opens up at 80-85 degrees. But you have to make your own brackets for the threaded version - the other one has a bracket allready attached.
I have also used the one with push on ½" hose fittings on another engine, and it also worked good - actually I think they are both RACIMEX.

[Jim Ratto]

this is mine alu oil cooler from CSP. Racimex brand.

I´m gonna put it near the gearbox behind the left swingaxle.

Banjos are a REAL bad idea for oil systems. Those look like awfully small fittings. Like 10mm?

[tikimadness]

this is mine alu oil cooler from CSP. Racimex brand.

I´m gonna put it near the gearbox behind the left swingaxle.

Banjos are a REAL bad idea for oil systems. Those look like awfully small fittings. Like 10mm?

You should use the largest 90 degree fittings you can fit because they are relatively small in diameter on the inside.

Michael

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That´s what I specifically asked for before ordering and was told that no restriction. I inspected the banjo bolt inside out and they seem to be free flowing..anyway its diameter is not smaller then a diameter of oil passage in the case.

[dirk zeyen]

hello rasser
your oilcooler works good for sure, but what about a traffic holdup? i think if the car stand still and the engine is runing the exhaust will heat your oilcooler. i have the same oilcooler and did it the same way like you years ago (1998 or 1999), like every year i made my trip to budel and like every year we started to late it was a sunny and hot day. so like every year there was a big traffic holdup 1.5 ours for around 1 km and the engine was so hot....

my new setup:
hidden oilcooler and airboxes, now the oilcooler is away from the exhaust.

dirk

[Rasser]

hello rasser
your oilcooler works good for sure, but what about a traffic holdup? i think if the car stand still and the engine is runing the exhaust will heat your oilcooler. i have the same oilcooler and did it the same way like you years ago (1998 or 1999), like every year i made my trip to budel and like every year we started to late it was a sunny and hot day. so like every year there was a big traffic holdup 1.5 ours for around 1 km and the engine was so hot....

my new setup:
hidden oilcooler and airboxes, now the oilcooler is away from the exhaust.

dirk

Was yours also a type4 ?    - because the type4 engine cools so much better.


I have just been to 1. mai  Kaefer treffen in Hannover, and we ended up in a "traffic holdup"  just before the Elb tunnel in Hamburg for about ½-1 hour  - no problems (80-85 degree oil temp).

[dirk zeyen]

hello rasser,

my engine is a typ 1 without dog house cooler, don't know much about typ 4 engines but they work .

really nice car!!!

dirk

[Lee.C]

Hey guys - just so you know its me, I just showed this thread to my dad and he agrees with me and to quote him "Why on earth would you put an OIL COOLER down there???"

 

[Rasser]

because it needs to be fed by air, and it would look dumb in front of the car, imho. It's extremely effective!!!

[Lee.C]

just playing dude - anyway if it needs air then put it on the roof 

I know "Why" you and others have done it buddy and yes I do agree you get maximum airflow BUT it just scares the hell out of me 

[Jim Ratto]

just playing dude - anyway if it needs air then put it on the roof 

yeah, that's what Sarge is gonna do.
 

 

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my location of a Racimex alu oil cooler

[danny gabbard]

Havent been on this post for a while. How about useing two cooler's with there own fan, But one is on all the time for cooling and the other, Turned on when needed in winter to blow warm air ducted, for inside car ?

[DKK Ted]

I just got through installing a single fan Setrab oil cooler above the tranny on the driver side of my 69' I wish I could have monted it on/near the torsion tube, but it's IRS, no room. I was running well over 220*, but adding the cooler and set my timing @28*, was 32*, helped alot. So far runs @ 187*.

Ted

[der60er]

does andyone know whith fitting to use for the EMPI Oil Cooler ? (LONG)
Its not metric, or ?

thank you