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Eddie
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« Reply #150 on: November 23, 2019, 13:06:44 pm »

1 step further, placing the sleeves for type 1 lifters.
So the Pieper lifters will operate perfectly.
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« Reply #151 on: November 24, 2019, 09:57:57 am »

Looking good. Those 2 threaded plugs in the pic, I use those as an in/out for an external filter and delete the original filter mount to make that area a bit neater.
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« Reply #152 on: November 24, 2019, 10:31:39 am »

Looking good. Those 2 threaded plugs in the pic, I use those as an in/out for an external filter and delete the original filter mount to make that area a bit neater.

I like that solution too.
But you loose the oil pressure bypass, I don t know if i want that.
Do you have a solution for that?
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« Reply #153 on: November 24, 2019, 11:58:21 am »

I haven't found it to be a problem.
Plus
I have the piping as follow
Out of case
Into filter. Located on rear bumper mount
Out of filter
Into oil cooler over gearbox
Out of cooler into upright type 1 cooler
Out of type 1 cooler back into case.
You will need a non return valve as I did.
The original type 4 cooler has a block off plate that has a loop on it, so oil can circulate at that point.
This might read as being complicated but it isn't.
The main mod of drilling and tapping the plugs on your case has been done.
Mines been this way for 10 yrs.
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« Reply #154 on: November 25, 2019, 08:00:24 am »

Thanks,
good info, will look in to this.

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« Reply #155 on: November 25, 2019, 13:34:53 pm »

For the upright cooler I use a doghouse cooler mount that's had the oil holes underneath welded up and threaded unions at the back of the mount fitted for oil in / oil out.
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« Reply #156 on: November 30, 2019, 08:56:06 am »

Yet another question, I like to install the CSP Type 1 10mm chromoly head studs, but I can not find casesavers from M12x1.5 to M10.
Does somebody sell those?

I can find the casesavers to M8, but then the question is are those head studs strong enough for my set up?

Thanks in regards
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« Reply #157 on: November 30, 2019, 09:49:56 am »

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« Reply #158 on: January 19, 2020, 08:20:02 am »

Got me some old school rocker covers.
Scored on the samba  Grin Grin
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« Reply #159 on: March 07, 2020, 08:42:47 am »

Ok will try it here also
Can somebody tell the brand of these 'Nickies'?
They are all aluminium. (no Biral)
These are the only markings I can find.
These are 100mm ones
Head size 114.75 mm
Case size 108.52 mm

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mikko k
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« Reply #160 on: March 07, 2020, 10:41:57 am »

Nickies from LN Engineering?

https://lnengineering.com/

These are 105mm from LN.

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« Reply #161 on: March 07, 2020, 11:16:33 am »

Whooo thanks Mikko for those pictures..

Mine look a bit different then your pictures, doesn t have 5 cooling ribs on the head side,
and has less cooling fins overal.
So don t think mine are LN nickies.

An Other member pointed me to QSC ones... now I checked the cooling fins I am tempting to
think they are QSC.

But please keep ideas coming.

Thanks
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« Reply #162 on: March 07, 2020, 11:52:48 am »

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Eddie
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« Reply #163 on: June 09, 2020, 06:57:18 am »

It is Decision time,

Got 2 options, everything else is ready so can start building.
But really don t know what to choose.
The well known tough Deutz cylinders or the QSC aluminium Cylinders.
Maybe you guys have some experience with both or just the one.
Disadvantages or advantages???

Like to hear from you?

Thanks in advance
Eddie
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« Reply #164 on: November 20, 2020, 15:05:55 pm »

Ok got a question for the specialists,

I want to kmow if this comprsession ratio will work or you guys say, that s a no no.
Building a 78 x 100 engine with 48cc chamber heads with a webcam 86b Lobecenter 108.
The advertised compression ratio is about 9.5:1 for this cam.
But with a (preferd) 1.3mm deckhight my ratio will be 11.5:1. we have 98 gasoline.
But would this compression ratio be ok?

Thanks in advance
Eddie

Ps it got all the light parts in there JE pistons TP type 1 lifters Hbeam rods, balanced counterweigted crank.
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« Reply #165 on: November 20, 2020, 16:17:41 pm »

It is Decision time,

Got 2 options, everything else is ready so can start building.
But really don t know what to choose.
The well known tough Deutz cylinders or the QSC aluminium Cylinders.
Maybe you guys have some experience with both or just the one.
Disadvantages or advantages???

Like to hear from you?

Thanks in advance
Eddie
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Sorry that I havenít noticed this before.

I would use aluminium ones. Gets heat away better.
But you need to clear out that you have right kind of piston rings to use with these cylinders.

Deutz cylinders have been used also and they are fine too.
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« Reply #166 on: November 20, 2020, 16:21:47 pm »

Ok got a question for the specialists,

I want to kmow if this comprsession ratio will work or you guys say, that s a no no.
Building a 78 x 100 engine with 48cc chamber heads with a webcam 86b Lobecenter 108.
The advertised compression ratio is about 9.5:1 for this cam.
But with a (preferd) 1.3mm deckhight my ratio will be 11.5:1. we have 98 gasoline.
But would this compression ratio be ok?

Thanks in advance
Eddie

Ps it got all the light parts in there JE pistons TP type 1 lifters Hbeam rods, balanced counterweigted crank.


Street use? Drag race only? What kind of heads and valve sizes? Efi / carbs? Exhaust?
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« Reply #167 on: November 21, 2020, 12:06:48 pm »

Thanks Mikko,

Cal look so mostly street and sometimes strip
Heads ported with 42/36, 45 Dellorto carbs and turbo thomas 42/41mm merged header
Programmable ignition.

Hope this helps
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Eddie
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« Reply #168 on: November 21, 2020, 12:10:01 pm »

It is Decision time,

Got 2 options, everything else is ready so can start building.
But really don t know what to choose.
The well known tough Deutz cylinders or the QSC aluminium Cylinders.
Maybe you guys have some experience with both or just the one.
Disadvantages or advantages???

Like to hear from you?

Thanks in advance
Eddie
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Sorry that I havenít noticed this before.

I would use aluminium ones. Gets heat away better.
But you need to clear out that you have right kind of piston rings to use with these cylinders.

Deutz cylinders have been used also and they are fine too.

JE Pistons with there pro seal piston rings.
Hope this helps
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mikko k
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« Reply #169 on: November 21, 2020, 12:54:42 pm »

Thanks Mikko,

Cal look so mostly street and sometimes strip
Heads ported with 42/36, 45 Dellorto carbs and turbo thomas 42/41mm merged header
Programmable ignition.

Hope this helps

With this info, I would go something like 10:1 cr. More cr will produce more heat and possibly more problems at street use.
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« Reply #170 on: November 21, 2020, 13:07:51 pm »

It is Decision time,

Got 2 options, everything else is ready so can start building.
But really don t know what to choose.
The well known tough Deutz cylinders or the QSC aluminium Cylinders.
Maybe you guys have some experience with both or just the one.
Disadvantages or advantages???

Like to hear from you?

Thanks in advance
Eddie
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Sorry that I havenít noticed this before.

I would use aluminium ones. Gets heat away better.
But you need to clear out that you have right kind of piston rings to use with these cylinders.

Deutz cylinders have been used also and they are fine too.

JE Pistons with there pro seal piston rings.
Hope this helps

I think that you should know what kind of cylinders are the piston rings ordered for. If you havenít said about aluminium cylinders, I would quess that rings are for iron cylinders. But Iím not sure. I think that you should check the order.

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« Reply #171 on: November 22, 2020, 09:37:10 am »


Sorry that I havenít noticed this before.

I would use aluminium ones. Gets heat away better.
But you need to clear out that you have right kind of piston rings to use with these cylinders.

Deutz cylinders have been used also and they are fine too.

JE Pistons with there pro seal piston rings.
Hope this helps

I think that you should know what kind of cylinders are the piston rings ordered for. If you havenít said about aluminium cylinders, I would quess that rings are for iron cylinders. But Iím not sure. I think that you should check the order.



Well both the cylinders and pistons were internet bargains, so the rings came with pistons, don t know the history.
Did check the ring gaps and those are tight so have to modify them.
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« Reply #172 on: November 22, 2020, 09:43:15 am »

Thanks Mikko,

Cal look so mostly street and sometimes strip
Heads ported with 42/36, 45 Dellorto carbs and turbo thomas 42/41mm merged header
Programmable ignition.

Hope this helps

With this info, I would go something like 10:1 cr. More cr will produce more heat and possibly more problems at street use.

The heat problem with type 4 in a beetle isn t a big problem. will have a look but with 10:1 my deckheight becomes more than I would like, (2.6 mm) did unshroud the heads a bit.

Thanks again Mikko
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« Reply #173 on: November 22, 2020, 13:32:57 pm »


Sorry that I havenít noticed this before.

I would use aluminium ones. Gets heat away better.
But you need to clear out that you have right kind of piston rings to use with these cylinders.

Deutz cylinders have been used also and they are fine too.

JE Pistons with there pro seal piston rings.
Hope this helps

I think that you should know what kind of cylinders are the piston rings ordered for. If you havenít said about aluminium cylinders, I would quess that rings are for iron cylinders. But Iím not sure. I think that you should check the order.



Well both the cylinders and pistons were internet bargains, so the rings came with pistons, don t know the history.
Did check the ring gaps and those are tight so have to modify them.

Ok, in this case, I would use deutz cylinders. Or, the other way would be to order new rings from JE to suit to the aluminium cylinders.
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« Reply #174 on: November 22, 2020, 13:39:14 pm »

Thanks Mikko,

Cal look so mostly street and sometimes strip
Heads ported with 42/36, 45 Dellorto carbs and turbo thomas 42/41mm merged header
Programmable ignition.

Hope this helps

With this info, I would go something like 10:1 cr. More cr will produce more heat and possibly more problems at street use.

The heat problem with type 4 in a beetle isn t a big problem. will have a look but with 10:1 my deckheight becomes more than I would like, (2.6 mm) did unshroud the heads a bit.

Thanks again Mikko

In this case I would modify combustion cambers to be bigger to get lower cr.
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« Reply #175 on: November 22, 2020, 18:27:59 pm »

Hi Eddie, 10:1 doesn't sound very strange for a street engine with a web 86b. But your deck is a bit too high in my opinion. I should aim for max. 1.5 and try to unshroud the heads some more to not raise the cr to much.

Enjoy the build!

Mark
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Eddie
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« Reply #176 on: November 23, 2020, 07:32:38 am »


In this case I would modify combustion cambers to be bigger to get lower cr.


Hi Eddie, 10:1 doesn't sound very strange for a street engine with a web 86b. But your deck is a bit too high in my opinion. I should aim for max. 1.5 and try to unshroud the heads some more to not raise the cr to much.

Enjoy the build!

Mark

I had them unshroud a bit around the valves, what can I do more on a type 4 head to gain more cc s in the head?

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« Reply #177 on: November 23, 2020, 15:39:14 pm »

Do you have picture from combustion cambers?
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