The "big (bigger) cc type 3 engine" thread

[Georg/DFL]

Hi all you type 3 fans out there,


as big (or bigger) type 3 engines are rather uncommon I wanted to ask how you modified yours to keep things (especially the fan) together and what your specs are. And how did you solve problems for things not available of the shelf? Just post all your experience here - I think it would be of great help for those who are in the process of building a big cc type 3 motor.

My plan is as follows: 82x94, CB 044 CNC oval port, 42x37,5, FK10, 1,4 rockers, IDA. The header and muffler was custom made by A1, 1 3/4 in (44 mm), mild steal, black ceramic coated with a polished stainless steal muffler and black ceramic coated tail pipe. It also has a thread for the lambda sensor and a V-band. Quality is very good and it's the only way to have a header as big as 1 3/4 in. The biggest of the shelf is the 1 5/8 (42 mm) from Kymco.

Another problem is the drilling for the full flow system, especially when you have a IRS car because of the stock torque bar. Instead of drilling a hole at the left side of the case and using a fitting that interferes with the torque bar and the fan house I used the CSP full flow adapter that eliminates the rear oil pressure control piston. That way you don't have to cut the torque bar and/or the fan house.

Engine is still not running, so I don't have any experience with how it runs and if the welded and balanced fan will hold together or not. You can read some more opinions on that toppic here: http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,10644.30.html

Cheers,

Georg

[Luftkraft]

Interesting topic! I currently have a mild 1835cc in my Type 34 Ghia, no idea about its ingredients, but it produces somewhere around 105 hp. Fun to drive, for sure, but sometimes I miss some low end grunt. So the next logical step would be a 2110 or 2276 with a lot of torque and no need for high revs. Well, I'm about to drop that idea having faced the fact that my Ghia isn't a race car and never will be. Respectively I don't want to do the modifications necessary for that transformation as I like my car and its characteristics the way it is. But maybe this thread's gonna give me some inspiration to continue the path of horsepower. 

[nicolas]

Hi all you type 3 fans out there,


 The header and muffler was custom made by A1, 1 3/4 in (44 mm), mild steal, black ceramic coated with a polished stainless steal muffler and black ceramic coated tail pipe. It also has a thread for the lambda sensor and a V-band. Quality is very good and it's the only way to have a header as big as 1 3/4 in. The biggest of the shelf is the 1 5/8 (42 mm) from Kymco.

turbo thomas makes a 1 3/4 type3 header. not sure if you can have the lambda sensor fitting, but i think it can be ordered. it is stainless steel and not beautifully black like yours howerver.

this should be an interesting topic.

[speedwell]

i don't remember the combo of this "razor edge" , but i remember he's running 46 ida and there's a report in a volksworld
you remember this one georg you 're there 

[Torben Alstrup]

Steel Buggin´Aka Annibal chico sells welded type 3 fans. If memory recalls he takes about 80 buckcs for one. I bought one about 4 years ago for a high reving type 3 (up to 7000) because I wanted "insurance" Sofar it has held up nicely. But naturally I cant say if a stock would have done the same.
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[Rennsurfer]

Great looking Type 3 engines, guys.

[Felix/DFL]

Nice Idea! but not so many typ-3 nuts here as it seems 

So here are some pics of the no.1 enemy for a flat-engine lover:

@Torben: was the solid inside piece even welded to the fan?

My "big" typ-3 engine (2.2) is still in the work (at the moment dry assembly), so I may get back to this theme with some things...

The before setup was 1776 with short manifolds (switched flange). I really don`t get the idea behind tall manifolds in a flat compartment...

[Rennsurfer]

Proper Type 3 goodness and wall-to-wall win, right there.

[67worshipper]

these notches are all hardcore very practical cars as well.

[Neil Davies]

Found these pictures on the Funkenblitz website of one of our old Half A Brain club cars - Andy Burton's Notch. It was converted to Type 1 cooling, but very nicely done, with the tin extended to the engine bay shape and size. Quick for a 1776 Type 3!

http://www.funkenblitz.com/andrewburtons.shtml

[Diederick/DVK]

not my cup of tea, neil. and in general, keeping the engine under the lid would be my no.1 priority on a type 3. i've got some ideas on that. thinking 2007/42dcnf etc.

[Neil Davies]

I know what you mean, but if you've got the carbs coming up into the engine bay, you may as well put the cooling in there too!

How about running a pair of sidedrafts, like a DCOE Weber on custom manifolds? That would allow the use of big carbs but keeping the overall motor height low. I'm not sure about what's in the way of the side of the engine bay - it's been a long time since my Dad sold his squareback, and I didn't really do much work on that anyway!

[Zach Gomulka]

DCNF's are the PERFECT type 3 carb!! They are short, and the bores are placed right next to each other so the intake runners have a straight shot down into the intake port. I agree, the lid has gotta be closed on a T-3. When I had my Fastback, I contemplated building a 2276 torquer with a K7 cam and 44 DCNF's which I had already purchased. I was also going to add another fresh air vent on the left side of the engine bay- one to feed each carb with cool air.

[Critter1]

Here was my 1968cc before the car was torn down for rebuild. 44 IDFs, Ram Flo filters, Scat push-pull linkage, CBs shorty manifolds, and full flowed. Its an awesome set up, and pushed the Fasty around no problem. Believe it or not, this is being rebuilt into a 2430cc powerplant! 94 x 87.5 with 48 IDFs. All will be under the lid. This is a great thread. I will post engine progress updates here when they become available.


Welded fan. The center hub on this fan was also welded. (not pictured)


A high HP Type-3 car could definitely benefit from solid sub frame mounts, as well as heavy duty trans mounts.


Rubber sub frame mount on the left. Solid on the right (from T3D)

[Zündfunke]

Georg, I think you know these two:

First engine out of the T34 "Spyder"
2,4l WBX-aircooled, 82x96,5mm, Pauter Rods, Aircraft Heads with GWD-Porting and Machining 1 ¾ Header, GWD Muffler System

Unfortunately I don´t have any infos about the engine of the black T34.

[67worshipper]

this threads type 3/34 porn

[Critter1]

If you've got the carbs coming up into the engine bay, you may as well put the cooling in there too!

X2

[Georg/DFL]

Georg, I think you know these two:

First engine out of the T34 "Spyder"
2,4l WBX-aircooled, 82x96,5mm, Pauter Rods, Aircraft Heads with GWD-Porting and Machining 1 ¾ Header, GWD Muffler System

Unfortunately I don´t have any infos about the engine of the black T34.

Thanks fpr the pix, Zündfunke. Yes, I know both cars. Gerd Weisers Ghia isn't counting, because he got the upright fan and engine tin from a type 1.
The black car used to belong to Eric Justus, later on to an english guy and then to Fredy from DKT.

[The Ideaman]

You guys have seen it all before.  2110,CB 2288, roundports and injectors.  Daniel Hood has a nice eye for detail.  Still have the engine, but it's converted to type 1.

[Georg/DFL]

Hi Ideaman,

do you have some more info on the engine? What kind of special type 3 modifications (welded fan, etc)? And what about the generator? Exhaust? HP? Street or strip use? Yes, I want to know it all...
Cheers,

Georg

[sam P]

Great thread!
Does anyone have pictures/info on how they modified the fanshroud for a bigger oilpump or fullflow?

Also, what are the options on exhausts for high-power type 3 engines? I don't allways like the look of dual quiet packs on a type3, I would love to see something more stock-ish or maybe with just a pipe coming out at both sides of the valance.

[Carlos De Alba]

what about this???   

[Jim Ratto]

cool Carlos, so I don't have to build your Notchback motor... not quite the way I would've done it... but for a guy like you, it works. 

[Rick Sadler]

Don't do it Carlos. The intake manifold and carb will stick up so high you want be able to see the little doggie with the bouncing head on the rear package tray!

[Jim Ratto]

is that a Bugpack exhaust? 

[DKK Ted]

Naa, that is an A1 Muffler! Don't you the quality of the thing? Just kidding Tiger

[Georg/DFL]

Great thread!
Does anyone have pictures/info on how they modified the fanshroud for a bigger oilpump or fullflow?

Also, what are the options on exhausts for high-power type 3 engines? I don't allways like the look of dual quiet packs on a type3, I would love to see something more stock-ish or maybe with just a pipe coming out at both sides of the valance.

Hi Sam,

just read my first posting in this thread and it will give already some information regarding full flow and exhaust.

I use a 26 mm HD oil pump for my 2276 and that should do. With the CSP pump cover I just have to modify the torque bar (IRS car), that's it.

For the exhaust: Besides what I said there is Turbo Thomas in England, also building 1 3/4 in (44 mm) headers for type 3s.
Cheers,

Georg

[Rennsurfer]

Don't do it Carlos. The intake manifold and carb will stick up so high you want be able to see the little doggie with the bouncing head on the rear package tray!

 

Nacho becomes Notcho... got it. Does Ratto get the royalty cheques for word usage?

Looking forward to the Type 3 Panzer... it's been a few years, yes?

[PIMPPRIDE]

what about this???   

vw powered tractor pulls???

Anthony / ISP WEST

[Critter1]

what about this???   

vw powered tractor pulls???

Anthony / ISP WEST

Anthony.... Can you post up pics and info on your SB's engine??