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Frallan
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« on: December 29, 2009, 15:47:25 pm »


Does anyone know what happened to this beautiful racer after it was sold to Japan many year ago?
I only have a unconfirmed information that it was wrecked and never repaired.
Facts anyone?

Thanks!
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 22:52:00 pm »

hy frallan try here
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 00:26:54 am »

Wow, I have been thinking about a rear axle like that. Do anyone know how good it worked?
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 00:46:45 am »

miss that car... Sad
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 10:07:59 am »

I think I see a large tube running down the bottom - is it De Dion? And what box is that?
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 12:53:38 pm »

Basically you connect the outer ends of a IRS setup to a rigid tube passing under the box so that the ends becomes a solid axle, that way you can hang it like the V8 boys do, in a proper fourlink. I bet the box is a hybrid automatic, and that's why Fallan is interested I guess Wink
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 18:01:36 pm »

Does it have connections to the chassis apart from the four links JHU? Interesting setup.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 19:41:36 pm »

It will need a panhard bar or something like it to stop the de-dion axle from wabling sideways
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 19:50:00 pm »

I would think it needed a panhard link to stop the axle from moving sideways, but I can't see any in the pictures.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 19:56:29 pm »

 Wink
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 19:59:41 pm »

 Wink
automatic transxale is from a vanagon build by kenny melacon and pizzo bros with the differential being reworked by california motorwoks in riverside , the torque converter came from munsinger located in chino and connects to the flange scat crankshaft with a custom flex plate
rear axle uses a De dion tube located by a 4-link rear suspension porsche 930 cv joints are used along with ultra short SAW performance axles to traansfer the power to the rear wheels

(from vw trends)
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 20:00:56 pm »

I was guessing there is a diagonal link, between the lower 4 bars.
Common drag racing practice.

The last pic is slightly confusing, but there is some lateral location.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 20:25:41 pm »

Interesting set-up...
But being a hybrid of VW IRS and DeDion, I think the axles+trans itself and motorplate kind of act as what would normally (4-link style) be the panhard rod...?
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 20:36:15 pm »

Chris Alston(?) built that chassis from memory,
and when it ran with N/A 2800(original owner cossey?), it had a wishbone style track locator.
The chrome bar in the fore-ground of the last pic is one side of that wishbone, I think.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2009, 21:44:43 pm »

Basically you connect the outer ends of a IRS setup to a rigid tube passing under the box so that the ends becomes a solid axle, that way you can hang it like the V8 boys do, in a proper fourlink. I bet the box is a hybrid automatic, and that's why Fallan is interested I guess Wink

The reason for me asking is that I am trying to find the car for a friend who was clsoe of buying it long time a go.
We went to the house of Pizzo bros in CA and then we also followed the car at a race.
He never bought the car and in some way regrets it.
I promised him I would post this and at least give it a try.

I have been running 090 transmisson in my 1967 beetle since 1995. Apart from being heavy, it is a fantastic piece of gearbox.
I also have a Dave Folts newly purchased 090 like this one for the restoring of my old Pank dragster.

The de Dion rear end on the Pizzo fastback worked absolutely excellent. At least in combination with the automatic transmission.
It was beautiful to see the almost slow motion hooking of the wheels on both start and in to second.
It is correct that it acts similar toa fixed rear axle with four links.
The car does have a diagonal locating bar which is not so well visible in the pictures.
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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2009, 22:12:00 pm »

I think a guy that used to be on shoptalkforums bought the car and Jim Fuelers old super duper aspirated engine that supposedly gave ridicules amounts of power! Wink The post is on the shoptalk and I bet that "piledriver" knows about it! Wink
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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2009, 23:12:42 pm »

Hi Jonas,

What he bought was Jim Feulings 4 valve engine, correct.
He also bought Pizzo bros rear end of their latest watercooled turbo VW dragster. Not sure but think it was a VR6 engine and running pretty quick. It was a 090 modified automatic transaxel turned upside down.
Very much modified and including the rear drive with axles and flanges. It was a complet cut off of the frame from the dragster.
I have pictures of it somewhere and will post it for you.
I am 99% sure he did not buy the car I am looking for.
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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2009, 23:22:41 pm »

Here we go Jonas!

Frallan

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2009, 23:52:48 pm »

 The name of the guy on above note is Searoy /Carl Jenkins.
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« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2010, 01:51:33 am »

Searoy had the trans for sale on the Samba a few years ago. He moved up here to Oregon and has been out of the scene for a while. He sold The Fueling engine to Tom Leib of Scat.
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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2010, 21:49:13 pm »

Totally off topic but very interesting guy Jim Feuling. A real engineer and genious.
The famous Oldsmobile Quad engines...W3 engine and the ACVW prototype that Searoy and later Tom Lieb bought. Plus much more.
Take a look at this: http://www.feuling.com/wp/index.php
It is part of Jims old company.

Stealth67vw, if you see or hear from Searoy, tell I hope to see him back in the VW scene. I did like his inputs on STF.

Now back to the topic and the car.
Really no one that has a hint in the right direction or knows more?
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2010, 21:53:38 pm »

The name of the guy on above note is Searoy /Carl Jenkins.

Wasn't Searoy the guy who bought Doug Harvey's Fastback?
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2010, 15:25:22 pm »

Again taking this totally off topic for a while but why not?

Jim Feuling

From The Kneeslider  http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2005/03/31/jim-feuling/

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With all of this talk of the Hayabusa V8, I neglected to mention the Feuling W3. Jim Feuling, who passed away in 2002, was a prolific inventor and engineer. I first noticed him back around 1990 or so when he developed 4 valve heads for the Harley Davidson Evo engine. I thought of him again the other day when I saw the rerun of a Biker Build Off episode where Cory Ness built his chopper using a Feuling W3 engine. It's impressive to say the least and is one indicator of the kind of work Jim Feuling did. Jim was pretty amazing. He built an Oldsmobile 4 cylinder engine that developed over 1,270 hp from 121 cubic inches! Not bad, I'd say. The East Coast Timing Association has a reprint of his memorial from the now closed Feuling website. A few of Jim's developments are:

the engine for the American Honda high-mileage streamliner, capable of 500 MPG @ 55 mph, and developed the engine for the 2-place Q-2 aircraft, rated the world's most efficient. His internationally-recognized products include the 4-Valve cylinder head conversion for Harley-Davidson® Evolution motorcycles, his patented aluminum CENTERFIRE® cylinder heads for Chevrolet 454 and Ford 460 truck engines, the all new 'Fast-Burn' MAXFLOW® cylinder head kits, SuperPump and HP+ lifters for the Harley-Davidson Twin Cam engines and the awesome W3 Motorcycle

Read the whole thing. There's also a review of his prototype W3 from Motorcycle Cruiser magazine.

When you see what he did over the years, you can only wonder what he would have done had he lived a little longer and had access to the ever improving computer software and machine tools.

His company was up for sale last year. I'm not sure what happened to it, it seems some parts were sold separately instead of as a complete operation. I wonder if anyone is making the W3 these days. I'll have to look into it. If anyone has details of the fate of his company, let us know.

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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2010, 21:33:05 pm »

The name of the guy on above note is Searoy /Carl Jenkins.

That's the guy I'm thinking about ! Smiley

I'm not sure if it actually was the pizzo bro fastback, I might have confused it with the gearbox Huh

Carl Jenkins was surely an interesting voice on the shoptalk forum!
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2010, 22:56:31 pm »

I think a guy that used to be on shoptalkforums bought the car and Jim Fuelers old super duper aspirated engine that supposedly gave ridicules amounts of power! Wink The post is on the shoptalk and I bet that "piledriver" knows about it! Wink

http://cal-look.no/lounge/index.php/topic,10891.msg165843.html#msg165843
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« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2010, 19:53:10 pm »

Yes, there it is! Smiley

480hp :O
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2010, 21:10:54 pm »

Yes, there it is! Smiley

480hp :O

Hej Jonas!

What do you refer to as 480 hp?
Sounds good anyway.

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2010, 23:35:53 pm »


Hej Jonas!

What do you refer to as 480 hp?
Sounds good anyway.



The link that Eric posted states that the engine gave 480hp at 6500 rpm
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2010, 07:01:39 am »

Thanks Jonas. I just didn't get it.

Searoy just surfaced aftre many years of off line on Cal Look.com
More Vanagon 090 automatic talk.
http://www.cal-look.com/forum/index.php?topic=20768.new;topicseen#new
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« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2010, 18:02:11 pm »

Frallan -- --

I've been in contact with Carl and the trans is for sale complete from the brakes back -- I really wanted to buy it but it is a little out of my buget for the Oval -- The unit he has is the one that was setup for the mid-engine car and comes with a lot of extra parts.

Also I have a 3 disc clutch set up if you know anyone that would want one -- the fly wheel is for a flange crank and the disc's that come with the unit are for a linkco 2 speed the there are interchangeable for VW trans ones.

Harold

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